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You don't need to give me photos you found by googling on the internet. I've lived around Romanis my whole life and I'm speaking from real life experience. Romanis, in general, may not be blond haired and blue eyed, but they don't stand out at first sight when they're not dressed in traditional clothes (or at least those in my hometown don't).

i have experience with roma people as well but i don't just have photos of them lying around my place. google or not the photos i provided put it into perspective for anybody reading the thread - roma people don't generally just "blend in" with the native population of their country of residence. most folks with knowledge of romanies can take one look at a roma person and determine that they are, in fact, roma.

call it racism, call it ethnic discrimination - it's not right, no matter what many of the roma people have done/currently do. no roma person should be spat at on the street or threatened with violence by association. that kind of shit rings pretty familiar when you look at racial and ethnic conflicts in the past.

i seriously doubt you've ever dealt with any romani since you are american and you think roma is interchangeable with romani.

roma and romani being interchangeable is a more recent thing but it's not incorrect. i've clearly said that they are interchangeable and that roma also refers to a subgroup of romanies. i know the difference.

there are roma people in the united states, in case you weren't aware. it might hurt being called out on your racial and ethnic hatred but recall that europe is not perfect and has always had problems with racism. trying to turn this into a discussion about the united states won't erase european faults. the thread is primarily about european discrimination of roma people.

DA but an anon from upthread.

I don't think anyone is disputing that there is discrimination and several people (including myself) have even said that there is discrimination. What many of us are trying to tell you is that not all discrimination is racism and this is a case of discrimination, not racism. It doesn't matter if Romani are a separate race or even if they stand out from other ethnicities where they live because the prejudice against them is NOT based on their race or appearance. It is a reaction to their culture.

You are also trivialising real racism by willfully confusing discrimination with it.

And I can't speak for anyone else about this part, but it DOES rankle that an American is telling several Europeans about Romani in Europe. We live here. We live alongside the Romani. There may be Romani in America and they may even accept being called Roma but they are not the same people many of us are talking about. Roma IS a slur to most Romani here. They DO have a specific culture and lifestyle that preys on all other people. For you to come in here and try to tell me any different is laughable. It's offensive to me (and I know for many other Europeans but I am only speaking about myself here) when America or Americans try to tell non Americans about their culture or their country. It mostly stems from your government pretending to be the world's police, but there are enough individuals like you on the internet who think they know better than the people who are actually living with the stuff they're talking about. It's offensive, condescending, dismissive, ignorant and egotistical.

Speaking as an European also living alongside Romani people, the treatment and attitudes they face sure looks like racism (and discrimination, yes, but racism as well) to me. You to claim that all the European Romani have a specific culture and lifestyle that preys on other people. That is fucking offensive to me as an European. Offensive, condenscending, dismissive, ignorant and egotistical. And yes, racist.

You are also trivialising real racism by willfully confusing discrimination with it.

I vehemently disagree with this sentiment.

I do agree with you that some parts of Romani culture has to be changed, because when you're scared to send your daughter to school because some of your people still practice marriage by kidnapping and you're scared to let her get out of your sight, something is really wrong. But let's not pretend that any Romani who's willing to break with their old lifestyle would be welcomed with opened arms by the general population.

romanies are more or less an ethnic/racial group. antiziganism is described as racism and/or prejudice against romanies. i'm not saying all antiziganism is racially charged but much of it is, hence why i am claiming this is a racial issue as well as an ethnic one. as far as i'm aware, for instance people from india are technically classified as caucasian, but it's clear that discrimination against them is still racially charged, even if incorrectly, because - like it or not - being "white" and being caucasian aren't always the same. upthread i mentioned something about people holding disdain for "brown people" and this is what i meant. race and ethnicity are intertwined here.

I just told you that I've lived around ROmanis my whole life and I can'tt ell them apart. What's more, my whole family has a darker carnation that Romanis in my hometown.

I should have added that I wasn't the anon you were speaking with. I agree with you that no Romani should be discriminated against just for being a ROmani. I just wanted to point out that it's hard to discriminate a Romani, because unless you see them beggin at the corner of the street dressed in their traditional clothes, you have no idea that this person you're speaking with is a Romani. And sadly, because over 50% of Romanis in my country don't attend schools and girls are often illiterate, they will never stop being these traditionally-dressed beggars.

most people can tell them apart though, at least in my experience.

let's say you don't want to refer to it as racial discrimination. you see them dressed in their traditional clothes, as you say, and immediately paint them all as beggars. unfortunately a lot of that is true but my point is that their ethnic identity, expressed through their clothes, language, racial similarities, et cetera, make them distinctly romani. if you take away these things then you've stripped much of their ethnic identity. so you are basically saying that they can only be accepted, rather than hated and mistreated, if they are assimilated. that's definitely ethnic discrimination, even if you don't care to point out the racist undertones of it.

This I agree, but the same can be said about any white group, especially Southern and Eastern Europeans, which is why I disagree with it being called racism, because then you get to the point where we have dozens of "races" in Europe and the term looses all meaning. I also dislike how people always want to call racism, as if ethnic discrimination was somehow less bad.

Are you Upthread Anon? Why is it so hard for you to understand that all Europeans don't look the same? It's fine with me if you can't tell the Romani apart from your people, but that certainly isn't true in all parts of Europe or the rest of the world.

Tell me, do the Roma still blame their rep for being thieving bastards and cattle buggerers on those filthy, filthy half-caste didacoys? Because that is what they always used to do. No, not us poor victims of racism, they'd cry, but it was those half breeds who are criminals, their half breed blood is the worst qualities of traveler and settled man alike. Yeah, that was the explanation they liked to give. So, unless the gypsies have cleaned up their act on blaming their rep on half-breeds and half-castes (and perhaps actually cleaned up their rep in general by not being thieving bastards) they deserve to be treated like the criminal scum they are.

you haven't been banned yet?? remarkable

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