[ SECRET POST #2488 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2488 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Sherlock/Irene Adler]


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[Twin Peaks]


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[Kick-Ass 2]


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10. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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11. [WARNING for rape]

[Dramatical Murder]


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12. [WARNING for child abuse]
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[Bully]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

'tragic' is going a little far imho

[(Anonymous)]

http://books.google.com/books?id=kouXUFhmodEC&pg=PA192#v=onepage&q&f=false

[(Anonymous)]

DA Didn't read, but how surprising that a monster had a tragic backstory. Not really interested in how you worded the secret as if we should find him ~fascinating and feel ~pity for him. I'll do that to fictional villains.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry you see everything in black and white.

[(Anonymous)]

Haha nope.

[(Anonymous)]

Once your body count is in the millions range there's not a lot of room left for moral ambiguity.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's like the difference between "Hitler: The Rise of Evil" and "Downfall."

In both movies he was portrayed as a horrible person, but in Downfall he was still three-dimensional and a little sympathetic. In Rise of Evil he was a caricature who beat his dog.

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, I'm all for not "forgiving" real life bad people, but I am interested in humanizing monsters. People are people even if they are mass murdering dictators, and I personally am interested in the elements of their lives that might make them "sympathetic" against all the odds (sympathetic is the wrong word here, I don't really know how to explain myself, just things that make them human when it's easy to other bad people)

[diet_poison]

ia with this

Not saying he's not "tragic". I mean he might have been miserable but I think the point is moot with all he did. I definitely think his life overall is tragic considering the consequences it had for everyone else, though.

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[(Anonymous)]

There's no moral ambiguity, but there are human factors, both in how they became the people they were, and how they managed to sway enough people to their side that they could commit that many atrocities. The problem with writing them (and, typically, their followers) off as nothing more than monsters is that it means we're, on some level, deciding it's an anomaly, and can't ever happen here. Which is both incorrect and fairly terrifying.

[(Anonymous)]

OT, but NGL, that book was my introduction to the existence of Tbilisi (sorry, Georgians...), and now I kinda want to visit really bad.

Not because Stalin. But because the book managed to describe it in a way that really made it seem like a gorgeous, fascinating place.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if he were the subject of a Shakespearean play, it would definitely be a tragedy!

I feel like you can describe someone's story as tragic even if they brought it on themselves and/or inflicted it on everyone around them. Presumably he didn't start out with the life goal of becoming one of the most horrifying mass murderers of all time, so that's... sort of a tragedy? Narratively speaking.

[(Anonymous)]

It's really hard for me to not see something that's tragic as at least somewhat noble. And I just really don't think that's the case with Stalin.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess I just don't see tragic as necessarily noble.

[(Anonymous)]

If it were a Shakespearean play, what would make it a tragedy would be what Stalin inflicted on everyone around him.

[(Anonymous)]

No, Shakespeare's tragedies were deliberately of the 'you brought this on yourself' variety and all the people around them are victims.

[(Anonymous)]

He was a tragic waste of space. A tragic excuse for a human being. Tragic that the only thing he was good at was killing people and putting them away, which - tragically - probably left him with no friends. Boo hoo.