[ SECRET POST #287 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #287 ⌋

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Notes:

WHY ISN'T THE NEW PHOENIX WRIGHT GAME HERE YET? I WANT IT LIKE BURNINGGGGGGGOWEIRFJOWEIJFOWIEJFOWEIFJ /spaz

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #041.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!fandom, 0 not!secret, [ 1 2 ] repeats.
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Comments

[minni.livejournal.com]

I never said that I expected the public school system to be a good experience. I've been saying all along that it can really suck, but I've been trying to point out the errors in a sweeping, gross generalization for an entire population rather than people actually acknowledging a percent of those who have problems and issues are going to have them whether they are schooled at home or in the public system. The public school is narrow and limited and fails quite spectacularly when it comes to teaching kids "about the entire spectrum of human behavior and what to expect in life", and the same is said of those who are taught at home, or attend a private school.

It would appear that public schools apparently also fail quite spectacularly when it comes to reading comprehension.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Durr hurr, you made a funny.

I don't see how the public schools fail at that objective the vast majority of the time, seeing as a public school's failure in other regards (eg education standards, bully situations etc) are in part what cause that experience to be a SUCCESS.

I am fully aware some kids have issues no matter what. But holy shit, that's not what we're discussing.

[minni.livejournal.com]

are in part what cause that experience to be a SUCCESS.

Having had to work with so many of those "successes" - no. Hardly.

Or do you consider a success anyone who doesn't take a gun to school and shoot at his classmates and teachers?

Backpedal harder; I don't smell any burning rubber.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Surely I throw my opinion around here enough for it to be obvious I don't backpedal. Lol delusions of grandeur maybe, but seriously how is anything I say misconstrued as UH OH BETTA RUN

I'm not entirely sure what you're even arguing anymore. Public schools have many failings, but in the end they are still a governed institution in the public view, whereas homeschooling is completely private and thus completely subjective. Common sense dictates which one is going to generally have more failures.

Even beyond the social aspect of homeschooling arguments, because homeschooling has no standard whatsoever and there is no mandate for testing, academically we have very little idea of exactly what goes on in most of these homes. The kids that voluntarily take standardized tests (and it is a small number, compared to the gross number of homeschooled children) most likely come from atypical families.

Yes, there are a percentage that have issues completely departed from their educations, but I can't recall bringing that up in discussion today. Let's stop with the strawman fallacies.

Also OH MY GOD can you NOT bring personal anecdotes into a debate for a single comment? This is not the place for it, believe it or not.

[minni.livejournal.com]

What happened here was a girl posted a secret that when she started homeschooling she was left on her own to her devices and she started reading slash "morning, noon, and night" (which indicates to me that her parents weren't all that involved because otherwise they would have/should have curtailed the time she spent on the internet), and this caused a detrimental view towards her own sex and her own body, and it wasn't until she was back in high school and socializing with people on a more regular basis did she actually get beyond that detrimental view.

And then you come in and declare homeschooling is shit, because it destroys people's social skills, and it could easily be implied that no good can ever come from homeschooling. The so-called "debate" deteriorated from there. In comments to other people, you continue to generalize negatively, refuse to admit that homeschooling is anything less than bad, and "some kids turn out fine, far more don't".

Homeschooling has different regulations and mandates by individual states; California has stricter regulations than Montana and there are certain books that parents have to use, as mandated by the state of California. Montana tried to pass a law where the public school system regulated the curriculum, but that got shot down because a) the teacher's union didn't want that extra workload, b) the parents were trying to get away from regulated curriculum they didn't agree with, and c) the Legislation was predominantly Republican.

If homeschoolers wants to "graduate", they have to take and pass the GED examination, because most places demand a high school diploma or its equivalent to hire. Furthermore, the GED is the standard for highschool-level homeschooling. If people want to go on to a college, they're still required to take the SAT and ACT. There are also state-licensed and accredited schools that offer homeschooling programs in which the books, lesson plans, and tests are supplied by the teachers, the student teleconference, and they do graduate with a valid high school diploma. This is steadily becoming the more popular choice of parents.

Homeschooling is much more objective; it's certainly less restrictive, not standardized, does not have the rigidity of a public school system. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Does it mean that this is going to work for every single person? No - some should be left in public school system because they need and require structure, standardization, and restriction. Does that mean that everyone must have exactly all of that, 'less it "destroys people's social skills"? No, absolutely not.

Since it can't be controlled, does this mean that people shouldn't be allowed to do what they want? That the lack of regulations and resctrictions makes it inferior beyond compare?

All in all, I find you to be strangely ignorant about the generalities and the specifics of homeschooling, and it shows. You are also biased despite any claims of being objective. I have tried to inform you otherwise with valid examples, that not everyone - and certainly not "most" - homeschooled will lose their social skills, that they are not worse off. There will be people without social skills in home, or public/private schools.

Interesting how a public school's failure is a success, but a home school failure is really bad. I love it when hypocrisy gets paired with bias.

To paraphrase mousie, maybe you're just too close to the public school system. Since I've been outside the system, and I have to interact with the products of such a system, I can probably judge better than someone who is too entrenched.

Or, you know, I can just be objective and realize that both sides have good, valid points to make, and that neither is better than the other. But I generally don't expect a conversation to get much better when it was fallacious from the get-go.