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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-11-11 06:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #2505 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2505 ⌋

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Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
The funny part is there are actually a number of legit well written trans characters in anime/manga. Mostly transwomen, but still.
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Re: So this happened

[personal profile] vethica 2013-11-12 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
Have any good ones to share? I'm (hopefully) doing an independent study on trans characters in manga. c:

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I've heard Wandering Son, an anime about trans teenagers, is good. It's a manga as well, I believe.
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Re: So this happened

[personal profile] vethica 2013-11-12 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, yes, I know that one! I actually got to talk to the translator when I was in Japan. It was super cool. c:

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
It's a comedy but it has some fairly insightful serious moments: Family Compo (F.Compo for short)

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Ice Revolution has a transwoman side character who I recall being handled fairly well.

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
Re: Wandering Son, were you referring to Matt Thorn and his manga translation (no idea if the anime's been translated yet...)? I love his attitude towards his work!

I can't think of any other series that has trans characters as the main characters, but if one-shots or secondary characters are useful:

"Ayumi and Aika" (chap. 6-7) in Mermaid Line, by Kindaichi Renjuurou. MtF-F couple.

"Dreams Unfold at Night" (chap. 7) in Yes It's Me, Yamashita Tomoko. MtF side character.

Occasional chapters in Honey and Honey, Sachiko Takeuchi. Autobiographical comic; author's FtM friends are introduced in volume 1, chapter 10 and show up throughout.

Double House, by Haruno Nanae, possibly: one of the main characters is perhaps closer to genderfluid, but the 3rd chapter has a secondary character who seems to be MtF. But I'm basing interpretations off the English scanlation, and don't know if there is more or less ambiguity in how they view themselves in the original dialogue (this is true for everything else, too, but DH is more ambiguous and dialogue-heavy in general).
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Re: So this happened

[personal profile] vethica 2013-11-12 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Matt Thorn! Really chill guy. C: (I think the anime does have official subs, but I don't know who did them; I'm more a fan of the manga, myself. @_@)

Thanks to you and everyone else for your suggestions! There's several things in here that I definitely need to check out, so. Thanks, everyone. You are cool. ♥

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Ayrt

Ack, I'm hitting my forehead at forgetting a couple bigger works!

Bokura no Hentai, Fumiko Fumi. Ongoing manga series with a MtF main character.

Claudine...!, Ryouko Ikeda, where the title's punctuation is the first indicator of how (awesomely, imo) '70s shoujo drama this is. FtM main character.

Finally (this time), possibly Battle Angel Alita: Last Order, Yukito Kishiro. Many of the characters are mobile AIs with brain chips copied from a human brain; several are copies of main character and cyborg Alita. One such AI, named Sechs, eventually switches to a male body, while Alita and the other AIs based off her always switch to female bodies whenever they change theirs. Sechs is introduced in vol. 1 chap. 4 ("Thinking of You") of Last Order.

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 06:23 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know if I can recommend Paradise Kiss in good faith since it annoyed me at times, but Isabella is a great trans character.
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Re: So this happened

[personal profile] scrubber 2013-11-12 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
I believe it, but they are basically outliers.

Also by throwing a fit about "ruined" trans story lines people usually erase the genderqueer characters they so desperately crave, but transgender people are at the gold in the Sexuality portion of the Oppression Olympics so you get more points with your SJ friends if you prioritize them instead.

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
There is this one character, from a game that shall not be named, where if you mention their gender in the fandom, it's like setting a bomb off. It gets annoying real fast because it's always the same exact arguments that never lead anywhere. The "it's like a trans coming out story, so it must mean *character* is really trans!" argument comes up A LOT.

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Naoto or Chihiro?

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
DA
My first thought was Naoto, haha.

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
I think everything the OP said applies to both of them, thb.

(I actually did some internet searching a while ago for articles on gender identity in Japan after seeing a post stating only that Chihiro's backstory was the "textbook trans narrative in Japan, just saying!" I learned quite a bit considering how I got started, though nothing that especially supported or refuted that post's claim.)

Re: So this happened

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
OP

I was talking about Chihiro, but Naoto certainly applies. I was trying not to name names to avoid spoilers, but oh well.

I think Chihiro's story was more on a commentary on gender roles in Japan, which I don't think a lot of people on Tumblr get because they're mostly American. From what I can tell, it's a lot stricter and much more based on appearance. I felt like the game was trying to say that these roles were detrimental. But that's just from gentle browsing and other people's stories.
Though I always sort of felt that claiming that Chihiro was 100% trans is kind of missing the point of his storyline and that is kind of enforces these gender roles. If you look and act like a girl, you're really a girl.

AYRT

(Anonymous) 2013-11-12 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry about that. I tend to forget their genders are actually spoilers, oops.

But yeah, your reading sounds exactly like what mine was when I encountered that part of the game (knowing nothing of the fandom at the time). I've also since heard "I know all about Japan, but cultural differences are no excuse" and like I just. don't know anymore.