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⌈ Secret Post #2505 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So, the OP's premise is that people *claim* to want more female characters, but they actually don't?

Well, I know it's considered a very taboo opinion, but I *don't* want them. I'm female, and I actively prefer shows/movies with an all-male or mostly-male cast. I don't give a crap about the Bechdel Test.

I'm not self-loathing and I don't think women are "icky", nor am I hardcore fan of m/m slash. I'm just sort of tomboyish in my entertainment preferences, I guess. I relate to male characters. I find them entertaining. I do not relate to the majority of female characters and I do not find them entertaining.

I just *completely* cannot relate to a statement like "This shows needs some strong, fierce, kick-ass, hilarious, sassy women!" Um, no, it doesn't.

Also, I'm a straight woman, and I enjoy looking at men, even if they're not conventionally handsome. A cast full of women is not a draw, to me.

My fave female TV character is Julia Louis-Dreyfus as Elaine, and she's entertaining because she's selfish, hostile, and crazy: hardly a shining example of a heroic or admirable female role-model for girls to look up to and emulate.

[(Anonymous)]

This is so idiotic I can't even find words for it.

[(Anonymous)]

nobody asked you to. :( this person shared an opinion. you disagree. don't be rude.

[(Anonymous)]

No, their opinion is stupid. Anon can express that because their opinion isn't even an opinion. It's a very smug "well everything I want is on TV so sucks to be you"

[(Anonymous)]

that's not what they said. you're just being rude and ragey.


...oh wait. it's the internet.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it's pretty...I guess terribly hilarious? I love that there's always at least one girl who Has To Be Different--"I'm not like those other girls! I'm not a feminist, I'm a guy, just like you! Screw women anyway!...Can I play ball now?"

[(Anonymous)]

I also like seeing guys!

But I also want more females liek the one you describe here: people who don't have to be good role models or feminine or whatever, but can just be whoever they are without having to fit a certain preordained role as determined by some kind of ad executive who lives in the fucking 1950s.

Basically, <3 you and your comment because I see where you'd coming from and I think we all sort of agree in this thread even with all the arguments!

More girls would be great, but only if they're real characters.

[(Anonymous)]

So what's your problem then? Your personal tastes and wants are being met in nearly every TV show, especially the big name major ones.

Would it be so bad to support some variety for those who would like something other then cast after cast of men? Or because you don't want them those of us who do can't have them?

What is even the point of your comment. You have everything, what you want is on TV EVERYWHERE.

[(Anonymous)]

Where did they say they have a problem? They offered up their own perspective in the overall conversation, THAT appears to be the point of their comment. Whether you agree with it or not, they have just as much right to chime in as anyone else here.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a woman and want more women on TV, but I'll give you one thing. I don't relate to the statement "This shows needs some strong, fierce, kick-ass, hilarious, sassy women!" either. The women who are on TV are already those things. I want more weak, scared, insecure, pathetic women. In lead roles. Then I'll finally have characters I can relate to.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. I'm so sick of there having to be some attribute people can pick out and call "kick-ass" in some way in order for a female character to be worth screen time. Meanwhile if you do have that scared, pathetic character? Instead of investing time into appreciating all the ways a person can be flawed and still be a person worthy of attention and compassion, you usually get tumblr rants about what terrible misogynists the writers are for viewing women like that.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. I say this all the time and I'm so glad to see someone else agreeing with me. It sickens me that violence and dominance (what 'kick-ass' or 'badass' usually implies) seem to determine the worth of a female character.

(This is why, in some ways, I find Fluttershy to be a nigh-revolutionary character -- she's openly acknowledged to be shy, fragile, and cowardly, and yet she's still acknowledged as a worthy and valued character. You hardly see this in any other media: most female characters with any sort of fragility or gentleness are decried as 'weak' or 'useless').

[(Anonymous)]

Rarity, too. I really think that when it comes to diverse female characters, the MLP character have a lot to teach to the creators of TV shows and movies.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? I actually think it's a step backwards, feminism-wise, that the women in movies, in books, in games and on TV always have to be those uber-hero, super kick-ass, know-it-all, sassy cardboard cut-outs who, of course, are also all so very beautiful. Instead of "strong womyns!!11" I'd rather have well developed, believable characters who happen to be female. I'd also like actresses to be able to have the same beauty flaws as some men and still get cast as a lead - meaning things like wrinkles, acne scars, not the most perfect hair or bleached teeth, crooked noses - those things. And not having it played for laughs or even mentioned at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree +100000

[(Anonymous)]

Don't really agree with most of this, but I flailed at the Elaine mention. Love her <3