[ SECRET POST #2510 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2510 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 092 secrets from Secret Submission Post #359.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

As someone who taught herself two languages (and is self studying a third one right now) and who isn't privileged enough to even be able pay for some classes in the cheapest institute around, I still judge people who can't be brothered to try to improve a language they're using frequently.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

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[(Anonymous)]

I find that attitude odd, to be honest. Language mastery is important to me, so I prioritize that, and I'm going to assume the same about you, but that's not the case for everyone. We don't know what's going on in their lives. Even a person who needs to use a language in their profession may not need to improve their skill beyond what's required to get the job done; their lack of priority is totally understandable. And this? Is fandom, a hobby. It'd be one thing if writing were involved, but otherwise, what business is it of ours if people are satisfied with their current skill level and don't want to take it any further? Why are educated people so quick to judge?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRF

But it's nor about mastery per se, just trying to express yourself better so other people can understand you (general you, obvs).

And let's be honest here: when you use a language frequently, you pick up words and grammatical patterns and start noticing when something sounds "wrong", so even without studying grammar seriously it's possible to improve. Most people who don't improve at all just don't care.

[(Anonymous)]

I imagine that, if the person in the secret is capable of becoming a BNF, then obviously a number of people already understand her just fine. That she's not up to the OP's standard isn't cause to think that she's some gibbering wreck spouting incoherent nonsense.

You're right, constant use is probably the best way to learn a language. But why do you care if they don't care to improve? I'm honestly puzzled.

[hwc]

Are you a non-native speaker? I'm ESL and I speak from experience when I say that it's basically impossible NOT to learn English in English speaking fandom. I got into it when I was in danger of failing English in school; two years later I was the best in my grade. And believe me, it wasn't because I was suddenly studying more for school. (If anything, I was actually studying less as I got so obsessed with fic for a while that I would print it out and read it during class.)

Your comment suggests that improving your English skills in or for fandom is some kind of chore, but honestly, just reading fic and watching/reading the source material in English (assuming the works originally are English) already improves your language skills so much. You don't even have to put any effort into it, fandom makes you learn English by freaking osmosis.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

My English skills were suffering from lack of use before I entered fandom. But the last year they've improved greatly, just reading and writing in English. I don't know how someone could not improve writing so much in another language.

[(Anonymous)]

I am, and I don't dispute what you say to be true since it was so for me as well. But we are talking about two different things. I wasn't arguing the legitimacy of learning a language via fandom (if you're so inclined), but the wisdom in judging people's shortcoming based on your fandom interactions with them. Whether or not your English improves via fandom is irrelevant, my point was that people's priorities differ and if someone doesn't find improving their language skill to be important, it's fine. Maybe fandom is the only place they even need English, we never know.

The question of priority notwithstanding, each person learns at a different pace and in their own way. It's possible what we experienced may not be true for this woman, or perhaps she's still learning by osmosis right now and won't necessarily appreciate being judged for it. In the mean time, she will use her imperfect English command to be fannish, and I find nothing particularly judgment-worthy in that.

Curious

[scrubber]

What languages did you teach yourself?

Re: Curious

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

English and Japanese (though I still have a lot of room for improvement in both languages) and I started with German two months ago.

Re: Curious

[takaraikarin]

You sound like me, Nonny!

もう十年以上日本語を勉強してて、今でもずっと勉強する　
ノニーはいつ始まったの?
どうやって勉強すんの？

Re: Curious

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

your japanese is horrible

Re: Curious

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Oh come on, you really should have written that in Japanese.

Re: Curious

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
(I can't type on japanese on this keyboard, so I hope it's ok if I answer in English?)

I started eight years ago, using only free courses/resources online.
Right now I'm mostly focusing on practicing on lang-8 (I was lucky enough to get along with some Japaneses that are learning my native language, so we help each other) and when I have some free time I try to review grammar and do some writing practice, as it helps me to stop mistaking similar kanjis.