[ SECRET POST #2518 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2518 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I heard they changed it to magic addiction because Aly Hanigan was concerned Willow wouldn't be likeable anymore. I also heard it was a conscious decision on the part of Whedon and the writers because they didn't want to make Willow completely unlikeable.

That's the thing about rumors....

[intrigueing]

I don't see how that would make her unlikeable though. It would have made her MORE likeable IMO. It would be a brilliant example of how no, really, untrained high school/college kids do automatically not go through that kind of exhausting, gutwrenching, death-filled, world-saving stress and danger on a regular basis and never acquire serious mental scars over the years.

[(Anonymous)]

In my head canon, that's still more or less what it was really about. I like to think there's some credence to that...

[(Anonymous)]

Oh please. You just described Buffy and Faith. NOT Willow. I can't think of one thing she personally went through in the first four seasons that left anything resembling scars on her psyche (aside from her boyfriend cheating on her...maybe). Or even the fifth season.

[intrigueing]

Just having to be involved in worldsaving and lifethreatening stuff all the time and associating with the kind of villains they usually deal with would be scarring enough to a normal teenage girl, IMO. Then there's the whole "becoming a powerful witch before you're old enough to drink" thing, which coupled with the danger and stress and worry makes for a pretty huge and totally well-meaning motivator to go overboard for power.

Also, what's with this "oh please" tone? As far as I can tell, I didn't say anything rude or prevocative so I don't know why you're acting so argumentative.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Sorry. It's a knee-jerk thing with me, when it comes to certain characters that the show and a lot of fandom gives a pass to. It wasn't meant to argumentative, just exasperated. Mea Culpa.

[tabaqui]

HA. Willow was unlikeable pretty early on, too late, Ms. Hannigan.

[(Anonymous)]

No.

[tabaqui]

Yes!

[(Anonymous)]

Willow was unlikeable pretty early on

Says you. Not most fans. And not most viewers. Which is what the writers care about.

[tabaqui]

Yup, says me.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, me too. I didn't like the character early on - all that babytalking, big-eyes-having, so-nice-you-want-to-barf crap made me roll my eyes so hard - but I took a serious dislike to her after she resurrected Buffy and stood there with that stupid look on her face, expecting to be thanked.

[tabaqui]

OMFG, this. So many questionable things that she did that were just shrugged off, so many abuses of power and *nobody* calling her on it, and then whining about Buffy not kissing her ass *and* fucking with Tara's mind, just....

Arrgh.

[(Anonymous)]

And threatening Giles when he called her on her shenanigans....

I about passed out in joy and glee when Evil Willow was all "no one can stop me now" and Giles totally laid her out on her back in that calm, sexy, Giles way.

[tabaqui]

YES. Giles rocked. I detested how she was always whining on and on about how Giles didn't 'trust' her to do whatever magic. Not about trust, Willow! All about you running off half-cocked to do magic that is dangerous, unpredictable, and might end up making everything worse.

[lunabee34]

I didn't find her unlikable, but I do think that the antecedents of her downfall are present from like the first or second season on. It's very Lovecraftian, actually. She always wants access to knowledge and power that's dangerous (the first episode I really noticed it in is "Ted," where her first impulse is to keep parts of the robot. W’s interest in magic and the paranormal does begin as a desire to know more and to use that knowledge to help, to make the world a better place. Increasingly though, her desire for knowledge becomes more narcissistic and disturbing. I’m thinking of the fight she has with Buffy in the season 4 haunted frat house episode. She’s angry with Buffy because she knows this spell that Buffy doesn’t want her to attempt for very practical and sound reasons. Willow counters with something like (to paraphrase) “Who made you boss?” She wants to demonstrate her power for selfish reasons, not necessarily the collective good.

Willow struggling with power and control is interesting. Retconning it into alcoholism was waaaaaaaaaay less interesting to me.

[tabaqui]

And, see, it was never interesting to me because she continually did stuff that was *so* hinky. She always did the big-eye, quivery-lip 'don't you trust me?!' thing, when it had nothing to do with trust, and everything to do with proving she was right. I don't like or trust people like that, and it always irritated me that the Scoobies just shrugged off her crap and never called her on anything.

What she did re: Buffy and heaven and to Tara was the last straw. I was utterly uninterested in anything that character did after that.

[(Anonymous)]

Spike was an immature dickhead, not a Byronic antihero. Works both ways, matey.

[tabaqui]

Um...so what? Don't care if you (or whoever) didn't like Spike. See how *that* works?

[(Anonymous)]

Spike? Byronic? With the Wheatabix and the soaps addiction and the need to resort to name-calling?

LOL thanks for that. *giggle*

[castle_anon]

Agreed. I feel like the reason she was so well liked is because she represented the "every nerd/awkward outcast," and for some that was enough to overlook her more irritating qualities.

[tabaqui]

Blech.