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⌈ Secret Post #2524 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

OP I don't think she's actually happy at the end, it's just she's doing what she can to cope. She never really has any romantic feelings toward either of the boys, she's definitely settling with someone who gets what they've been through.

Having said that I don't like the epilogue, I just don't like those sorts of epilogues, I'd rather it was left. Sometimes I wonder if both she and JKR just didn't want fanfic to make it up, and wanted a canon ending for their characters.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand you not wanting the ends to be wrapped up for your reasons but at the same time I hate when people say that epilogue endings should be left off, or they can ONLY be to stop fanfic being written. Sometimes a writer wants to have the closure for their own characters, because sometimes these characters become so very real to a writer that they want to give the character the closure.

his is going to sound harsh but honestly I feel it's very ..well...egotistical of a fan to assume that the author is writing the ending to spite them or to stop them from thinking something or writing fanfic of the ending. And I'm getting tired of seeing it said over and over again "OMG the epilogue was awful they shouldn't have added it."* Sometimes they real just want to write a happy ending for their character and have closure for them. Hell I'm a writer planning story with a set of characters. I plan on doing an epilogue at the end to show them winding down from the adventure and having their normal life. Because after all they've been through they deserve it.

The writer isn't there to cater to the fan's theories. At the end of the day it is THEIR story.

*the only exception to this is the Digimon Epilogue but only because they used a fan poll to decide what happened and how the characters ended up and what jobs they had. You shouldn't let fans write the closure /ending of your story, damn it.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

It's great to want to end the story and give your characters closure and all, but if the epilogue sucks and is badly written, then yeah they should not have written it. The writer is there to tell a good story, and neither Harry Potter nor the Hunger Games had epilogues that helped the story at all, which is why I think both should have been left out.

[(Anonymous)]

That's an opinion, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Gold star to you for noticing!

[(Anonymous)]

And so is this!

DA

[(Anonymous)]

So you thought it was bad. Big fucking deal. That just sounds like a sorry excuse for you to demand that it shouldn't exist. I think a lot of stories I've read , none of which I can bother to remember the names of because they were boring, one involved a girl and a horse and so much painful phonetic reading I couldn't make it through.

But that doesn't mean I'm going to argue that they shouldn't have been written. I could care less about he epilogue. But I can ignore it. It's your opinion that it sucks and is badly written. But using your opinion of the writing to argue that it "was telling a bad story" and "going against the job of the writer"? Please.

The writer's job is to tell a story. Not to bow down to the whims of every reader.

Okay shoot

[insanenoodlyguy]

Write the "good" epilouges. Right here ,right now. GO.

I'll probably think they are shit and tell you so, but maybe everybody else will like them if they are so objectively better then what we got. But they won't, cause your stuff is shit.

Prove me wrong kid. Prove me wrong.

Re: Okay shoot

[(Anonymous)]

Why would I write a new epilogue if I just feel that the canon one should be left out? Just put "The End" after the last chapter. Voila! An ending that I feel is better done.

I'm a bit disappointed noodlyguy, usually you are much more on point than this.

Re: Okay shoot

[insanenoodlyguy]

So your telling me your lazy.

Also, after 7/3 long books, you really think most fans would be satisfied without a "but what happened?"

Your endings are shit.

Re: Okay shoot

[(Anonymous)]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

So what if it's a shit ending? It's one I would like better than the epilogue, which was the only point of the exercise. And if we're being honest, the last books in both those series were not great, so of course it's going to be shit. If I were actually going to write a good epilogue for either of those I'd have to rewrite the entire book to set it up better, and as we have established, I am a lazy shitstain.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

"I would like better than the epilogue"

and that is the problem with your original argument and claim that it shouldn't have been written. You're talking about your preferences what you would prefer.

I don't know if anyone's told you this but IT'S NOT AL ABOUT YOU. A writer is going to write a completion they like to their own story, and at the end of the day the story is their's. You are not entitled to have a writer cater to your whims.

The fact that you're declaring that it "shouldn't have been written" tells me you're not also lazy but entitled.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

LOL. What are you going to do, feed the epilogue through a magical objective writing quality assessment to see whether my feelings are valid? There's plenty of other stuff I feel was badly done and would have preferred JKR had left out, and I can't think of a single person who hasn't read a long series and had any moments of "man, I wish that hadn't gone in." It's not "entitled" to wish a book had content you liked better unless you're actually getting mad at the author and sending her angry letters demanding to change what she writes.

Instead, what I'm doing is... giving my anonymous opinion on FS. Oh my, how shockingly rude! I'm sure JKR is just crushed to hear that not everybody likes every part of her work, and will respond to my suggestion posthaste.

Not ayrt, but I accept your challenge.

[caecilia]

With no offense at all meant to the secret OP. (Honestly, the only problem I have with the epilogue is that it felt quickly-written, and that I would have liked to see more about how the country had changed and was trying to rebuild.)

Make sure you heed the notes and warnings.

[caecilia]

Yeah I just don't like the way either of those epilogues were written. But I agree with the above anon--JKR at least has no problem with fanfic. But remember also that the author doesn't get to decide everything that goes into the book; sometimes they have to yield to what the editor or publisher wants.

[(Anonymous)]

sometimes they have to yield to what the editor or publisher wants.

so many readers have no damn clue what goes on in the publishing aspects of writing a book. they seem to assume that the author has control over it all.

but then, fandom is serious business. I mean, just look at all the blood being drawn over the fucking epilogue.

[diet_poison]

just didn't want fanfic to make it up

I don't know anything about Suzanne Collins personally, but I do think JKR is smart enough to know that people would fanfic the hell out of her stories post-canon and having an epilogue would do very little to change it. So I'm thinking that's not the reason she wrote it.

[(Anonymous)]

JKR wrote the epilogue first. And it's perfectly in character--*all* Harry ever wanted was a "normal" life, with a family.

(Personally I detest HP fans who complain about the epilogue. In fact whiney fans in general annoy me. The books are AMAZING.)

[diet_poison]

Wrote it first, as in, before writing book 7? but yeah I agree, it's definitely IC. Though Harry did want to be an Auror, but I think he probably was able to accomplish that.

I don't mind critical analysis of a book but yeah in general I loved the series, and while the epilogue wasn't "OMG AMAZING" to me, I did like it and had no problem with it being there.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

No, I mean that was literally the first thing she wrote in the series *period.* Before she started writing PS, she wrote the epilogue--she knew all along where she was going with it (Ginny and Harry, Hermione and Ron, the kids' names, the symmetry of going to King's Cross again, etc.). In fact for YEARS she had assumed the last word of the series would end with the word "scar" (somehow. Not just by itself but part of a sentence, obvs). But I think it was during the writing of DH she changed that to "All was well."

I just get so annoyed at how entitled some fans are--sorry if I came off as grumpy :) These books are such a treasure--they're not perfect (I can find plot holes, problematic treatments, etc.) but what she did well was amazing. I read way too much fanfic that has that invisible chip on the shoulder, "here's how it SHOULD'VE been written!" that just annoys the **** out of me. All the fans who think Lily was a bitch, Ginny was a hoor, Snape was this misunderstood Nice Guy who was trashed by JKR. And they all seem to hate the epilogue! (Which is different from critical analysis--that, I love and appreciate.)

[diet_poison]

Ah, I didn't know that! That's pretty cool! Some amazing planning and she pulled it off well.

Is "hoor" an alternate way of spelling "whore"? And I'm so baffled by people thinking Ginny was a whore, or Lily was a bitch. (Like what? how do you even)

[(Anonymous)]

How the hell does an epilogue stop fanfiction from being written? The entire idea of fanfic is to explore the roads not taken. This idea is so baffling to me that I sincerely can't even grasp what you're trying to say. The books could have ended with every main character attending a nude druid wedding for Gale and Peeta and it still wouldn't 'stop fanfiction.' I just...what?