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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I guess you're from USA?

Now I'm 100% sure that it's a cultural difference, as it's pretty much impossible in my country for someone in college to pay their own rent, just to start.

[(Anonymous)]

Housing is that expensive where you are? What do you do, just live with your parents, and commute to school every day? What if you get into university that's in another state/province?

[nyxelestia]

NAYRT

Depends on country, but I do know that in many countries, either it's just common/traditional for students to just go to a local college (especially, frequently, girls/young women), or they live in dormitories at the university itself.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, college is often between 20hours and 40 hours of classes a week, not 8 or 10 hours like in the USA. You can't choose when you take your courses either (I heard that in the US sometimes the class you have to take has different times when it is taught and you can just choose one so you can take all your classes in the evening, for example, and work during the day. Here it is impossible, every class is only given once).

Also also, some countries have laws limiting the amount of days students can work.

I definitely live in Western Europe and traditionally here you stay at your parents' house until you have your first full time job. It isn't seen as a favor from your parents that you have to repay, it's just normal.

You are expected to help around the house the same as you always have, but if you have no means of supporting yourself then it's a stupid financial decision to move out.

[nyxelestia]

America has a strong culture of moving out as soon as you can after hitting adulthood, but a lot of that is backed by how easy it was to get independent housing in your early twenties from the 50's-70's. Then the tradition shifted, and the idea was that you graduate from college, then you and a bunch of friends/roommates would share an apartment or rent a house together until getting married and starting your own families. Nowadays, though, that's even less feasible, so people just move back home, and only very recently do you start to see it the trend being that apart from going to universities (which provide dorms for students), kids don't leave in the first place. That said, the culture is still geared towards "move out when you can", it's just that the 'when' has shifted back dramatically (at least from the American perspective).

[(Anonymous)]

That's generally not true in all of Western Europe, though. A lot of people here move out when they go to university because they can't study what they want to study in the city where they live (or they could, but they don't get accepted into their local university and then have to move out to study somewhere else). I went to university in both France and Germany and the large majority of my fellow students did not live with their parents.

[(Anonymous)]

You do have the option of going to school part-time in the US, and there is a real effort to accommodate students' schedules with multiple sections of a class or lab; plus, some sections will be exclusively online. But this is not only to accommodate working students--it's also to accommodate conflicts between lectures so that students can finish in four years. "Full-time" in the US is 12 to 18 (sometimes more) contact hours a week, not 8 to 10. Also, if you're in a science curriculum, there will be weekly labs that last 3 hours, but for which you only receive one credit--so the number of credits you're taking won't always reflect your contact hours. The rule of thumb is that you should do at least two hours of study outside class for every contact hour you have--but with lab reports and practicals, field trips, research papers, etc., you could end up doing a lot more. And students in the design fields practically live in their studios and pull more all-nighters than anyone but the engineers.

[deird1]

NAYRT

What nyxelestia said.

I'm in Australia, and round here it's standard for people to go to uni locally. I went to a uni half an hour from home, and kept living with my parents all the way through – and that was considered totally normal for Aussie uni students.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Let's put it like that:
Right now most companies only hire people by hours or by "work done". As a result, they can pay less than the minimal wage to their workers.

The minimal wage is around 300(approx) dollars with the current exchange. The standard rent price in the city? between 400-500(approx) dollars with the current exchange.

It's possible to find some cheaper places, if you're willing to live in a place that could collapse at any moment/without potable water/that's so dangerous that even the cops fear and other similar issues. Most people who can't get a better job or can't have several jobs have to live like that.

Education here is, per se, a privilege and if you don't have enough money to pay for it or to be able to get a loan, you can't even study.
As a result, most people who study in another city either have their parent pay for their rent or have an scholarship.

In the last case, people tend to search for flatmates so they can pay manage to pay the rent together.


I live with my mom, we both work and luckily manage to live decently.
I work from home on my own right now (and using self taught skills, because I couldn't afford going to college; if I ever do, I'll chose one of the course several universities are offering to do with virtual learning), though, because all the jobs I found didn't even pay me enough to pay the transportations costs to go to work.

Yes, this country is pretty much fucked up economically, has high levels of poverty and on top of that the last I saw a list of the countries with the higher cost of living it was the listed as the second.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT again

And I just want to add:
Most parents are actually happy of their children saying at home while working and if they earn to little, it's pretty ok if they children don't contribute too much with money and instead save it to buy their own apartment in a future.

That's a better way to help everyone (the parents, their children and any possible new member of the family) to have a better life in the long way.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I'm from the USA.

I got a lot of financial aid to pay for college and worked 30 hours a week or so. Graduate school was worse, because I lived on my own instead of having roommates, and "financial aid" was loans, not scholarships, so I ended up having to work 40 hours a week and go to school full time. I pretty much burnt myself out both at college (which is when I took a "break" and worked a zillion hours on my own and considered moving back home) and grad school and wish I hadn't had to pay for it all on my own. (Also, I will be in debt pretty much the rest of my life to pay back the student loans for graduate school. My teaching job barely pays for my rent and utilities and things now, plus the minimum of student loans.)