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fandomsecrets2013-12-05 06:48 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2529 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2529 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Babylon 5, Art by A-gnosis]
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[HGTV]
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[Boy Meets World]
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[Doctor Who, "Day of the Doctor"]
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[Battlestar Galactica]
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[Brian Cox, Jim Al-Khalili]
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[Doctor Who]
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[Top Gun]
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[Once Upon a Time in Wonderland]
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-06 02:07 am (UTC)(link)Good Lord, I loved that character. The Narn-Centauri arc was the part of the show I was most devoted to. Mostly because it was grand operatic tragedy at its finest, and because the Londo-G'Kar relationship was savage in so many ways.
Ah. Which is to say, shipping Narn/Centauri in no way detracts from the experience of the show. At all.
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Although, actually, I'm more of a G'Kar fan than a Londo fan. Don't ship G'Kar with anyone besides Londo and maybe Lyta. But I loved his character and journey the best out of everyone.
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-06 02:52 am (UTC)(link)Possibly it's because with Londo, given that all his relationships end in war and tragedy anyway, at least with enemy ships you can still get a lot of visceral satisfaction out of it? The thing he had with G'Kar was intense, and the thing with Timov so fantastically biting, and him and Urza was something straight out of a Regency novel in a lot of ways. The Adira relationship was weaker, more his idea of her than a relationship, but I still count it because Londo gets obsessed about these things and it's hard to discount the depth of feeling he had about it.
I'm not sure which of them I'd choose, between Londo and G'Kar. Probably Londo, because the messiah parts of G'Kar's arc were a bit uneasy for me, although the ... the leader of his people, that hit me so hard in places. The scene in the elevator with Vir, the drops of blood. The scene in the elevator with Londo, and taking his enemy with him the only way he can. And that fucking scene after Cartagia where the other Narn asks him what he sacrificed, I still have so much trouble watching that sometimes.
That whole arc, the Narn-Centauri war. Between Londo and G'Kar and Vir, it's the arc that catches me most. Londo's expression at the bombardment. Vir's challenge towards Morden. The changing meaning of the death-dream as Londo and G'Kar's relationship changes. That bloody drink they almost shared before it broke, and then the ones they shared later. Vir and everything he becomes.
Some of the best television I've ever watched, I swear.
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I think what I find interesting about G'Kar is that he was always a strong character, but his strength in the beginning was a weapon. He was hard because he had to be and then he didn't know how to be anything different. But you see his journey, and his ultimate core doesn't change, but he becomes, like, the best version of himself.
Londo kind of has the same journey, it just takes him longer. But I guess I find G'Kar's journey with all that he suffered slightly more interesting.
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-06 03:12 am (UTC)(link)Yes, that. He left ... a lot of the bitterness go, over the arc of the show. Got mostly pain in its place, which almost makes it stronger, really. I think it's part of the reason that scene after Cartagia hits me so hard. Because he fought there by trusting Londo, he fought by giving the Centauri what they wanted, if only briefly, he fought by sacrificing his personal honour and letting the enemy see his weakness, and none of that would have been possible for him as the Narn we saw in Season 1, none of that was something he could even have imagined, and it worked but holy gods did he pay for it. And then that other Narn walked up, exactly as G'Kar would have done a couple of years before, and asked him that fucking question. What did he sacrifice.
Everything. Or at least everything that he'd have thought mattered, once upon a time.
So, yeah, G'Kar has a truly stunning arc, and one that sort of rips your heart out along the way. Vir has a similar one, actually. And Londo. Him and Londo sort of propelled each other along. Chopping bits off each other along the way. The death dream was such a wonderful emblem of that. The different things it meant at various stages of their relationship, and the thing it finally came to mean in reality.
I think, in the end, G'Kar might be the character I admire more, while Londo is the character I enjoy more? And they are both at their simultaneous best and worse when in each other's company, I think.
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