[ SECRET POST #2542 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2542 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Because obviously people who want queer representation should be happy about any bone you throw them and just love whatever queer character they get, right? It's completely absurd for them to hope that some of the main characters they love turn out to be queer. No. I don't want shows to introduce "the new gay character". I want shows to say after several seasons, "surprise, oh, we didn't mention before that our main character is gay/bi? well, he is, and it doesn't change anything about who he has been for these past seasons."

[(Anonymous)]

so you'd rather writers pull a dumbledore than create openly gay main characters from the start?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but I think there's a big difference between, "We're revealing that this character is bi/gay during the current run of the show/books" and "Hey, now that the books/show is over? Yeah, this character was TOTALLY actually gay the whole time!"

[mechanosapience]

Would it still be pulling a Dumbledore if the reveal happened while the show was still airing, as opposed to after it had been finished?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

No? I didn't say I wanted it to happen AFTER a show/book series was over, but during. I just don't want show writers to go like, "we need queer representation, so we're going to introduce a gay character now, who's not important for the story or even interesting beyond being gay." I want them to make their main characters gay. In season one, in season five, I don't care. I want interesting characters I care about to be gay. I don't want to be told that all the interesting characters are straight, but I don't get to complain about that because "hey we also have a gay dude who appears once every ten episodes." Is that so hard to understand? I want the Dean Winchesters, the Will Grahams, the Stiles Stilinskis of popular shows to be gay. Not some extra who gets one line every now and then.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you mean, pull a Dumbledore? In the context of the secret, that's ridiculous. Rowling added that as trivia, it isn't even in the books. That has nothing to do with a relationship that happens to be gay be realized.

Characters can be "gay from the start" but they don't have to be, either. They can be bi, or situationally bi, or maybe the orientation doesn't matter. As a gay person, I'm less interested in a token gay character than seeing more gay relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

Or characters can be "gay from the start" and it simply never comes up, because their sexual preferences are irrelevant to the story as experienced by the focal characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously. Sheesh, it's almost like gay people are human beings whose entire lives don't have to revolve around their sexuality. Who could possibly want that?

[comradesmiler]

But that method might seem some lazy and half-hearted way to get some SJ dosh and accolades.

[(Anonymous)]

How is "main character falls in love with a man" any more lazy than "main character falls in love with a woman"?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it would depend on the series, to be honest. In the case of Teen Wolf, for example, I wouldn't find Stiles being revealed to be bi to be lazy (Which I'm taking in this case, they mean changing the character to satisfy fans for easy ratings/buzz, if I understand OP of the comment right?) because of a lot of his interactions with guys in the series. But Derek Hale? Outside of shipping goggles, there haven't really been any solid moments that would indicate it. Unless they started adding some in before they revealed it? I would call that lazy.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course it depends on how it's written. But still, I don't find it any more lazy than 90% of the canon het ships out there that basically consist of "good-looking guy and good-looking girl fall in love even though they have no common interests, no chemistry and met once."

[(Anonymous)]

But straight couples often come out of no chemistry whatsoever. It's just so very bloody much the norm that a badly written straight couple is badly written, but a badly written queer couple is "forced".

[(Anonymous)]

"I want shows to say after several seasons, "surprise, oh, we didn't mention before that our main character is gay/bi? well, he is, and it doesn't change anything about who he has been for these past seasons."

And if they do that but pair that character with someone who you don't ship him with, would you really be happy?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I would be a lot less unhappy about that than about that character being in a het ship I hate.

Point in case: One of my favourite shows has a character who, for several seasons, has shown no interest in women. No girlfriend, no wife, no dates, no apparent interest whatsoever in women. There were however hints that COULD be interpreted as him being gay. The writers could easily make this character gay without contradicting anything they said in previous seasons. I would LOVE if that happened.
Personally, I ship that character with the main character. I am however very well aware that the show will never make its main character bisexual. My ship will never ever be canon. But I would still be delighted if the show made the ambiguously gay character canonically gay, even if he obviously wouldn't end up with the person I ship him with.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I would even be happy if my favorite character didn't end up in a ship with anyone at all but was confirmed in canon to be gay.