[ SECRET POST #2542 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2542 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Slightly OT but I hate this excuse of "queer representation" so much.

If people who use this argument really cared about it they would actually ask for more queer characters instead of hopping and asking for their (usually popular in fandom) ships to be canon.

[(Anonymous)]

This

[sebastos]

THIS!!!

[(Anonymous)]

agreed. especially as these ships have a tendency to be really unhealthy.

how about we ask for openly queer characters who get involved in (at least moderately) healthy relationships with other openly queer characters?

none of this "well they're just in the closet because X reason i pulled out my ass it could happen!" bullshit

[(Anonymous)]

Because obviously people who want queer representation should be happy about any bone you throw them and just love whatever queer character they get, right? It's completely absurd for them to hope that some of the main characters they love turn out to be queer. No. I don't want shows to introduce "the new gay character". I want shows to say after several seasons, "surprise, oh, we didn't mention before that our main character is gay/bi? well, he is, and it doesn't change anything about who he has been for these past seasons."

[(Anonymous)]

so you'd rather writers pull a dumbledore than create openly gay main characters from the start?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but I think there's a big difference between, "We're revealing that this character is bi/gay during the current run of the show/books" and "Hey, now that the books/show is over? Yeah, this character was TOTALLY actually gay the whole time!"

[mechanosapience]

Would it still be pulling a Dumbledore if the reveal happened while the show was still airing, as opposed to after it had been finished?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

No? I didn't say I wanted it to happen AFTER a show/book series was over, but during. I just don't want show writers to go like, "we need queer representation, so we're going to introduce a gay character now, who's not important for the story or even interesting beyond being gay." I want them to make their main characters gay. In season one, in season five, I don't care. I want interesting characters I care about to be gay. I don't want to be told that all the interesting characters are straight, but I don't get to complain about that because "hey we also have a gay dude who appears once every ten episodes." Is that so hard to understand? I want the Dean Winchesters, the Will Grahams, the Stiles Stilinskis of popular shows to be gay. Not some extra who gets one line every now and then.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you mean, pull a Dumbledore? In the context of the secret, that's ridiculous. Rowling added that as trivia, it isn't even in the books. That has nothing to do with a relationship that happens to be gay be realized.

Characters can be "gay from the start" but they don't have to be, either. They can be bi, or situationally bi, or maybe the orientation doesn't matter. As a gay person, I'm less interested in a token gay character than seeing more gay relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

Or characters can be "gay from the start" and it simply never comes up, because their sexual preferences are irrelevant to the story as experienced by the focal characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously. Sheesh, it's almost like gay people are human beings whose entire lives don't have to revolve around their sexuality. Who could possibly want that?

[comradesmiler]

But that method might seem some lazy and half-hearted way to get some SJ dosh and accolades.

[(Anonymous)]

How is "main character falls in love with a man" any more lazy than "main character falls in love with a woman"?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it would depend on the series, to be honest. In the case of Teen Wolf, for example, I wouldn't find Stiles being revealed to be bi to be lazy (Which I'm taking in this case, they mean changing the character to satisfy fans for easy ratings/buzz, if I understand OP of the comment right?) because of a lot of his interactions with guys in the series. But Derek Hale? Outside of shipping goggles, there haven't really been any solid moments that would indicate it. Unless they started adding some in before they revealed it? I would call that lazy.

[(Anonymous)]

"I want shows to say after several seasons, "surprise, oh, we didn't mention before that our main character is gay/bi? well, he is, and it doesn't change anything about who he has been for these past seasons."

And if they do that but pair that character with someone who you don't ship him with, would you really be happy?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I would be a lot less unhappy about that than about that character being in a het ship I hate.

Point in case: One of my favourite shows has a character who, for several seasons, has shown no interest in women. No girlfriend, no wife, no dates, no apparent interest whatsoever in women. There were however hints that COULD be interpreted as him being gay. The writers could easily make this character gay without contradicting anything they said in previous seasons. I would LOVE if that happened.
Personally, I ship that character with the main character. I am however very well aware that the show will never make its main character bisexual. My ship will never ever be canon. But I would still be delighted if the show made the ambiguously gay character canonically gay, even if he obviously wouldn't end up with the person I ship him with.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I would even be happy if my favorite character didn't end up in a ship with anyone at all but was confirmed in canon to be gay.

[(Anonymous)]

Sucks that straight people or fans or straight pairings never have to worry about other fans dismissing their pairings as "slash." Sucks that you are always able to wonder about 99% of your straight pairings and the chance that they may happen, but queer tension between two characters with unspecified orientations won't happen.

And that we should just settle for "gay characters" rather than hope that pairings we like become canon.

Sheesh.

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT)

Wanting non-straight characters whose stories aren't about their sexualities is a completely valid request (that I share, TBH), but when everything is all about ships... it's just about ships and not representation.

Also, anon, most straight ships that are canon are usually: 1) female lead and male lead 2) full of "will they, won't they".
Shipping something outside that box means not seeing that ship becoming canon, even if it's straight.

Lastly... not, forget it. Let's just say that not everyone who doesn't buy the "We want the fandom OTP to be canon because REPRESENTATION!1!" bullshit is straight.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I agree that some slashers just want their ship to be canon and just claim it to be about queer representation. But not everyone who wants MAIN characters to be gay for representation is just a whiny slasher who wants their ship to be canon.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I also wonder what's wrong with wanting your ship to be canon? Can't you be personally invested in your ship, and still appreciate queer representation? Why the heck are they mutually exclusive? Are we not allowed to like our gay ships ~too much~ or something to still support queer representation?

[(Anonymous)]

To take one of the most obnoxious examples - I think a lot of Dean-is-bi people would have been just as happy if he'd somehow wound up having a one night stand with Aaron as if he and Castiel actually got together.

Also remember that not everyone who wants to see the things they ship in canon is straight either, aight?

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, agreed. I'd far sooner see a show introduce a queer character than have a character who is set up as heterosexual 'turn gay' after a few seasons for the sake of a ship.

[arcadiaego]

Yeah, if I had the option I'd really rather not have my representation be Hannibal and Will. 0_o