[ SECRET POST #2542 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2542 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sucks that straight people or fans or straight pairings never have to worry about other fans dismissing their pairings as "slash." Sucks that you are always able to wonder about 99% of your straight pairings and the chance that they may happen, but queer tension between two characters with unspecified orientations won't happen.

And that we should just settle for "gay characters" rather than hope that pairings we like become canon.

Sheesh.

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT)

Wanting non-straight characters whose stories aren't about their sexualities is a completely valid request (that I share, TBH), but when everything is all about ships... it's just about ships and not representation.

Also, anon, most straight ships that are canon are usually: 1) female lead and male lead 2) full of "will they, won't they".
Shipping something outside that box means not seeing that ship becoming canon, even if it's straight.

Lastly... not, forget it. Let's just say that not everyone who doesn't buy the "We want the fandom OTP to be canon because REPRESENTATION!1!" bullshit is straight.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I agree that some slashers just want their ship to be canon and just claim it to be about queer representation. But not everyone who wants MAIN characters to be gay for representation is just a whiny slasher who wants their ship to be canon.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I also wonder what's wrong with wanting your ship to be canon? Can't you be personally invested in your ship, and still appreciate queer representation? Why the heck are they mutually exclusive? Are we not allowed to like our gay ships ~too much~ or something to still support queer representation?

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. Nobody ever has a problem with het shippers wanting their ships to become canon, but if slash shippers want that, they're ~asking for too much and should just appreciate the one gay side character~.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody ever has a problem with het shippers wanting their ships to become canon
...Spoken like someone who has never had an unpopular het ship. They do exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody ever has a problem with het shippers wanting their ships to become canon

*Bullshit*. Complete bullshit. Former Buffy/Giles shippers will agree with me here, I think. I've been called (multiple times) a paedophile whose children should be taken away for shipping them ( only ever as adults, let's be clear).

[(Anonymous)]

Can't you be personally invested in a ship and not want/expect it to become canon? Or is that something only those of us in book/movie/complete fandoms do?

[(Anonymous)]

Sure you can. I prefer my ships *not* to become canon, because it gives more freedom to put them in new contexts and explore new developments springboarding off from canon. Writers's ideas are never going to square directly with your ideas anyway, like as not, and who needs to be validated by the creators anyway. Leave us alone, thank you, we're good.

[(Anonymous)]

(AYRT)

Main characters =/= the fandom OTP, though (it's if we're talking about Hannibal, but that wasn't my point).

And hey, I get perfectly well wanting for a ship to be canon, but it's tiresome being in fandoms where people keep talking about REPRESENTATION, when they just care about one ship.
Because let's be honest, most fandoms full of people claiming they only want queer characters would still be very annoyed if the writers don't chose their OTP for that or even worse: break it by making one of the characters gay and pairing him with someone else, just like het shippers when they ship isn't canon.
Becuase (surprise!) slashers aren't perfect queer allies and sometimes they're really into that just because they like a ship. And that's ok, really, no need to justify it.

You aren't like that and honestly care about representation? Great! But chance are that in certain fandoms, people like you aren't the notorious majority and that's why the "representation" argument is getting annoying for some.

[(Anonymous)]

Um, pretty sure 98% of slashfans would be happy if at least one of their characters entered a canon gay relationship, even with someone else. because that would show their pairing was at least a possibility, and that the creators are willing to give them canon slash.

I admit I have met one homophobic slash fan - loved slash but in the end found religion - but pretty sure the vast, vast majority are going to be supportive of queer representation. and would rather see a character get with a same-gendered person than opposite gendered, because it's still slash.

Say what you will, het ships and slash ships aren't equal. They should be, but one is normal and happens everywhere, one is almost exclusively left to the fan's imagination. having one character enter a gay relationship with a different character, even if it isn't your OTP, means something - and I think most slash fans would agree.

(That being said, I agree that liking a slash pairing doesn't mean you are an LGBT ally or a part of the fight for queer equality. I just don't see the point in questioning people's motives for wanting queer representation.)

[(Anonymous)]

Um, pretty sure 98% of slashfans would be happy if at least one of their characters entered a canon gay relationship, even with someone else
Most of the really die-hard shippers of fandom OTPs (which are usually slash) that I know go into fits of anguish at the thought of their pairing being split.

See: the rivalry between Destiel and Wincest shippers. You just try to tell me that one side wouldn't eat the other alive if one pairing became canon. You just try.

[purpleseas]

That's why it should be Benny/Dean. It would cause the greatest wank in wank history, plus it would be really hot.

[making_excuses]

Completely off topic, but of course the only Supernatural ship I am vaguely invested in is the most hated one?

[purpleseas]

I didn't see a huge amount of hate for it, but I'm way out on the periphery of the fandom because I can't take the constant spoilers and complaining about everything that ever happens. It's just that the war for Dean's penis has been raging for so long that I think if someone other than Sam or Cas suddenly swooped in and won it in a really decisive and permanent way, the hardcore shippers on both sides would be united in their rage and it would be absolutely magical.

[(Anonymous)]

To take one of the most obnoxious examples - I think a lot of Dean-is-bi people would have been just as happy if he'd somehow wound up having a one night stand with Aaron as if he and Castiel actually got together.

Also remember that not everyone who wants to see the things they ship in canon is straight either, aight?