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⌈ Secret Post #2543 ⌋

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[Fangirl]

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[Anne Neville, The White Queen]

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[Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan]

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[Merlin]

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[Elementary]

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[Whitechapel]

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[Grey's Anatomy]

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(Legend of Korra)

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[Papa Pear Saga + Doctor Who]

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[Godfrey Gao as Magnus Bane in "The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones"]

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[Kwon Yuri, Tiffany Hwang and Jessica Jung of Girls' Generation]

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[Les Miserables/Anton Zetterholm/Rob Houchen]

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...but what if a show portrays a strong friendship with what could be read as "potential", but, when the creators are asked as to the nature of the heroes' relationship, their answer is "this is a straight friendship"? Or else, what if the characters themselves are asked about this in a non-"hur hur" way and explicitly state that there is no romance going on?

DA

The fannits don't care about reality, they're just concentrated on their precious slash. Honestly, they're just as bad as guys watching lesbian porn, IMO. What's worse is that most of these girls are teenagers, so how is this going to adversely affect them when they get older, is my question.

Wow, you're just a regular check list aren't you? Insulting fans you don't like with a 'cute' little name. Comparing apples to oranges. Ignoring LGBT fans. And concern trolling.

DA

They have a different opinion than you. Get over it.

Well, that's pretty much what I see going on in Parks and Rec: Leslie and Anne are super close, love each other very much, get mistaken for a lesbian couple maybe three times that I recall, each in very logical situations: once when Leslie mostly seems really happy that Anne was considered her trophy wife (given that they went to a party together), once at a fertility clinic when she was there for moral support, and once by a douchey radio host who was pissed Anne ditched him to go and have a fight with Leslie in the bathroom. All three of those times, there's never that immediate, panicked push to assert herself as not gay, just a matter of fact statement (of regret, even) and moving on. And I don't remember ever seeing it called queerbaiting. I mean, I get that the Leslie/Anne situation is less contentious because it is a female/female relationship, and fandom tends to get a little more touchy about m/m stuff and ignore f/f.

But again, in Person of Interest, it is a m/m friendship, with equal if not greater canonical closeness and unhealthy interdependence as John/Sherlock, and I don't think there's EVER been a "Hmm, but you guys are gay, right?" in-show tease, not once in its two year, sixty episode run, and no shipper actually argues that they should be together on the show or else the showrunners are wasting canon potential. (Okay, I probably shouldn't say no shipper, because I don't know EVERYONE in the fandom, but: I have never seen a John/Harold shipper reach the levels of vitriol toward the show for not going there/the non-shippers/the canon love interests that some Johnlock fans hit every day). It just doesn't happen.

I mean, for me the greatest indicator of queerbaiting always ends up being the fandom: when the trend is fans who feel crazy entitled to seeing the relationship happen in canon, it's usually because they have been given serious hints that it "could" be canon, for the given meaning of could. I think certain shows get recommended that way and tend to pick up that kind of fan, or by reputation they hear about a really obvious couple and start watching for it, as with Sterek and Destiel.

(Though, Sterek's weird, because so much of it is from the showrunners and not the show: there basically isn't any canon friendship/closeness to take advantage of, there, so you get the writers hinting at Stiles's bisexuality at most and the actors playing it up, which I think makes Sterek shippers feel even more entitled to it in canon. Which is only a bad thing if the writers don't intend to go there, and at this point, I'm not even sure if they will, or if I'd want them to.)

Like, I don't know, I think there are plenty of shows that have strong, same-sex friendships that don't get accusations of queerbaiting, or at least not at the level of, as you say, dogpiling (c.f: Scrubs, Parks and Rec, Psych, POI). But I think when there is the bait and switch aspect, dogpiling happens because those kind of teases make people think that showrunners are willing to go there, and then it's disappointing when it turns out they're not, and/or have been using the idea as a punchline.

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