[ SECRET POST #2544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2544 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kim Richards, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills]


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[Saints Row IV]


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[Supernatural]


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[Magnificent 7]


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06. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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07. [SPOILERS for Sons of Anarchy]



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08. [SPOILERS for Person of Interest]



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09. [SPOILERS for I have no idea. Doctor Who?]



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10. [SPOILERS for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]




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11. [SPOILERS for Frozen]



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12. [SPOILERS for Reign]
[WARNING for dead people?]



13. [WARNING for rape]














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Comments

[illiadandoddity]

I felt like Hans turning out to be evil really wasn't foreshadowed properly. I saw the movie twice and it seemed like a great twist when I watched it the first time through, but the second time I saw it I was watching him like a hawk for the warning signs, and there just... weren't any? Like, one line in their duet hints at his true intentions. Aside from that, there's not a single aside glance, bit of body language, overuse of power or anything that made me go "oh, so that's how they set it up!" until the reveal, which makes it less "good twist" and more "bad writing."

I don't mind him being the villain, but it wasn't set-up properly and really felt like a last-minute addition because they needed a designated Big Bad and the duke was too silly a character for the job.

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard this a lot. That the movie just doesn't stand up to repeat watchings. Which is sad because they did an amazing job with Tangled and plot/foreshadowing.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't stand up? Man, that sucks. I was disappointed in it (as was my mom) and I was hoping rewatching it when it was released would make it better.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually liked that they didn't foreshadow it. I felt like it was more of a shock that way, and I thought it felt more real that way, especially since we had the whole deconstruction of "love at first sight" earlier.

[(Anonymous)]

In real life you can't always tell who the bad guys are until they do something bad. So, yeah, it is more real. But that doesn't mean it's good writing.

[ibbity]

(same person as before, forgot to sign in earlier)

Well, part of it for me is that I HATE foreshadowing unless it's very subtle, so I appreciated that it was a genuine surprise (for me at least) that he turned out to be the villain.

[illiadandoddity]

Well, to me, good foreshadowing is the kind you only really pick up on in the second watch, and I still didn't pick up on anything. It just wasn't very well done in my opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

Simmilarly, I like forshadowing, but I really can do without it when it's related to the subversion of a trope in such a surprisive fashion, it definitely worked for me.

The two bits we had (The sandwich line and the chandelier) where more than enough, cause really, revealing "Prince Charming" to be evil should be one of those things you don't see coming.

[illiadandoddity]

See, I could agree with you except for the bit right after he and Anna first met. She walked away, he fell into the water, and when he resurfaced, he looked in her direction. His expression when no one was around to see him was just as sweet and friendly as it was when he's playing to the audience. Nothing in his face said "what a sucker, there's my ticket to being king" or anything like that. Hans was acting nice even when there was no one around he needed to fool. That is the kind of thing that got me and makes me think his bad guy reveal was just poor writing.

[miku_hatsune]

I disagree. He became suspicious to me the minute he almost immediately proposed to her. For modern Disney films, that's a warning sign since they don't tend to do that anymore. He leads her on through LIAOD and the whole talk about how he'd "never shut her out/omg I have so many brothers". Thought the reveal was fine. He doesn't love her, has no way of "saving" her because of that, so he leaves her to die while he goes on to be "the brave hero that saves Arendelle from the evil Snow Queen". I don't think he or anyone else expected Olaf to lockpick the door.

Hans is (imo) a sociopath, not to mention a point of his character was that she knew virtually nothing about him. As for him looking lovingly on at her when he falls off the boat, there's nothing that's stopping him from that scene of thinking about how "easy" it's going to be to seduce her.

[caerbannog]

I kind of took it as the foreshadowing being done by everyone else pointing out it's not true love? I wasn't expecting his turn, but I also wasn't too surprised. (I was pleasantly surprised at what the true love cure was! That's a nice bit of difference)

Although there were a few moments I saw where he didn't seem all cool, like looking up before sending the arrow up and accusing the weasleton man of treason so quickly.

So I wouldn't mind watching again to catch little things I may have missed during the bigger things.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who just saw the movie tonight, I have to disagree. When looking on Hans' actions, he really comes off as a sociopath. He's manipulative, he can mimic people's actions and personalities really well to get in good favor with them, he hints at hating being "invisible", and he proves to have a ruthless streak.

I will give that his hints are subtle, but they are there. For one thing, the smile he gives Anna when he falls into the water can be led to many interpretations. At first when you see it you think it's because he adored her, but that smile could mean anything. And given his true nature, he was probably thinking about how easy it would be to manipulate her because of how smitten she was with him already.

He also mentions to Anna how "invisible" he feels next to his older brothers and comments immediately after about "how rich the kingdom here looks". It was kind of a big hint. He doesn't go for a comment about Anna , but rather her kingdom and what it would be like to live there. Even in the song together, he gives a suspicious vibe. Such as when Anna makes the "sandwiches" comment, and he says "I was thinking that too!" It seems out of sync, because it was meant to be out of sync. It was meant to be a forced line because the story is laying a hint there that Hans is forcing this connection with Anna. This is also something that narcissists and sociopaths do; they mirror people's emotions and personalities to connect with them so they can manipulate them better.

Also at the party, I noticed how closely Hans really followed her. I mean, he was right there to catch her when she was about to fall after her sister upset her. It's something you don't really think of at first, because you just expect the typical love interest to pull a move like that. But in retrospect, it was really creepy of Hans. It means he was shadowing her.

Another hint was when Anna went off to save her sister. Hans replies with, "Do you think you can really trust her? She seems dangerous!" This is her sister. She has known her sister all her life and this man for only a day. This is something narcissists and sociopaths do. They try to sever the ties with people you love and care about to isolate you. Especially when the interactions with said narcissist or sociopath is still new, because it means you still have an idolized view of them and will listen to what they have to say. Also, even when Anna is just about to leave and how she was almost hurt by Elsa at the party, Hans instead asks questions about how if she has those types of powers too. He doesn't really ask if she's alright or if Elsa is okay. He's prodding for information instead.

Also, the way he takes to power so readily is rather chilling. He mentions to the Duke of Weselton that he could have him put away for treason. This shakes up the Duke of Weselton quite a bit, but Hans just comments on it like it's nothing to him to have someone locked up or even executed for treason. This type of behavior is a ruthlessness that is seen in narcissists and sociopaths.

Also, the crossbow scene when the ice chandelier is about to fall. I noticed how Hans pushed the crossbow to aim for that. Which is interesting, because he could have picked any target for the aim to hit. Instead, he "coincidentally" aims the hit to dismantle the ice chandelier, which is just above Elsa's head and would have killed Elsa had she not have fled before it came crashing down. This seems like an accident at first, but in hindsight this was pretty clever in hinting about Hans' true intentions. It would have made him look like a hero while still getting rid of his target.

Instead, Hans is left with imprisoning Elsa to get her out of the way. And to add insult to injury, he inquires her and how she uses her powers. Only to find that she has no control over them. Funnily enough he leaves her after finding that out, and you see him later after his big reveal to Anna how confident he is in that he can defeat Elsa.

Other than that, the other storytelling devices that are used is the red herring, the Duke of Weselton. We are meant to think that he will be the villain, when in reality, the bigger threat was right under our nose. Also it's interesting how Kristoff and Elsa, two people who turn out to be important in helping and caring for Anna, disprove of Hans. Kristoff mentions how weird he finds it that Anna would get engaged to Hans within a day, saying, "Do you even know anything about him?" Elsa says something similar to that effect too. And Anna really didn't know anything about Hans, thinking he was sweet as her when really he's an insidious, manipulative snake.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

This!

[caecilia]

This is such a great analysis, thank you.

[miku_hatsune]

mte
& he actually glances at the chandelier before he redirects the shot too, he knew what he was doing

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly? I though he was just a psychopath, with perfect acting and capable of manipulating everyone around him.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, the fact he was too perfect is a warning sign in itself. As well as his kindness? Well, gee, if he plans on ruling a foreign country, he'll certainly need to be popular to the people! Everything he does is kind of geared to make Anna and the People like him so he can gain the throne.