[ SECRET POST #2544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2544 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kim Richards, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills]


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[Saints Row IV]


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06. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]



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07. [SPOILERS for Sons of Anarchy]



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08. [SPOILERS for Person of Interest]



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09. [SPOILERS for I have no idea. Doctor Who?]



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10. [SPOILERS for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]




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11. [SPOILERS for Frozen]



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12. [SPOILERS for Reign]
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Comments

[fscom]

11. [SPOILERS for Frozen]
http://i.imgur.com/2L8fgXV.png

[caecilia]

I love this, actually.

[loracarol]

I thought the point was that he was intentionally syncing up with Anna? Like, when he says "we always finish each other's" and she interrupts with "Sandwiches!" he went with it because he figured that agreeing with everything she said was the best way to get with her?

...Unless I'm misunderstanding your secret, which I'll admit, is a distinct possibility, sorry.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Yeah but then they started synching and singing at the same time. You can't roll with that part.

[loracarol]

Fair.

So, he was like those random people in Enchanted who started singing, only more self-aware, and unable to stop?

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the "we finish each other's sandwiches" part was a reference to Arrested Development *shrugs*

[loracarol]

I think it's both?

It's a shoutout, but it also makes you stop and think after the reveal, like "so did he really like sandwiches that much or...?"

Secret 11 - Frozen (warning for SPOILERS)

[transcriptanon]

spoilers for Frozen


[Picture is Princess Anna and Prince Hans from the CGI-animated movie "Frozen". They're both dressed like the royal people they are and happily doing some gesturing with their pinky fingers at each other under the full moon.]

I know there's an exponential difference between 'logic', 'Disney logic', and 'Disney song logic', but I can't shake the feeling that Hans was too spot on during this song. Like he went in totally stone cold and half-way through was like, "The fuck. How am I doing perfect harmonies and shit with this dumb ass bitch? Keep it together, Hans."

Their mental synchronization could have but one explanation. It was the beginning of a beautiful love, but alas. He was too evil to notice that flutter in his heart.

Secret because: What the fuck, self, did you even watch the movie? Even for you, this is pushing it.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Headcanon Accepted. If only he wasn't so evil.

[(Anonymous)]

And as his twelve older brothers are beating him to a pulp, he hears her voice.

[fauxkaren]

Idk. I think that part of the whole point of the song is that it's spoofing the idea of instant love.

[illiadandoddity]

I felt like Hans turning out to be evil really wasn't foreshadowed properly. I saw the movie twice and it seemed like a great twist when I watched it the first time through, but the second time I saw it I was watching him like a hawk for the warning signs, and there just... weren't any? Like, one line in their duet hints at his true intentions. Aside from that, there's not a single aside glance, bit of body language, overuse of power or anything that made me go "oh, so that's how they set it up!" until the reveal, which makes it less "good twist" and more "bad writing."

I don't mind him being the villain, but it wasn't set-up properly and really felt like a last-minute addition because they needed a designated Big Bad and the duke was too silly a character for the job.

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard this a lot. That the movie just doesn't stand up to repeat watchings. Which is sad because they did an amazing job with Tangled and plot/foreshadowing.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't stand up? Man, that sucks. I was disappointed in it (as was my mom) and I was hoping rewatching it when it was released would make it better.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually liked that they didn't foreshadow it. I felt like it was more of a shock that way, and I thought it felt more real that way, especially since we had the whole deconstruction of "love at first sight" earlier.

[miku_hatsune]

I disagree. He became suspicious to me the minute he almost immediately proposed to her. For modern Disney films, that's a warning sign since they don't tend to do that anymore. He leads her on through LIAOD and the whole talk about how he'd "never shut her out/omg I have so many brothers". Thought the reveal was fine. He doesn't love her, has no way of "saving" her because of that, so he leaves her to die while he goes on to be "the brave hero that saves Arendelle from the evil Snow Queen". I don't think he or anyone else expected Olaf to lockpick the door.

Hans is (imo) a sociopath, not to mention a point of his character was that she knew virtually nothing about him. As for him looking lovingly on at her when he falls off the boat, there's nothing that's stopping him from that scene of thinking about how "easy" it's going to be to seduce her.

[caerbannog]

I kind of took it as the foreshadowing being done by everyone else pointing out it's not true love? I wasn't expecting his turn, but I also wasn't too surprised. (I was pleasantly surprised at what the true love cure was! That's a nice bit of difference)

Although there were a few moments I saw where he didn't seem all cool, like looking up before sending the arrow up and accusing the weasleton man of treason so quickly.

So I wouldn't mind watching again to catch little things I may have missed during the bigger things.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who just saw the movie tonight, I have to disagree. When looking on Hans' actions, he really comes off as a sociopath. He's manipulative, he can mimic people's actions and personalities really well to get in good favor with them, he hints at hating being "invisible", and he proves to have a ruthless streak.

I will give that his hints are subtle, but they are there. For one thing, the smile he gives Anna when he falls into the water can be led to many interpretations. At first when you see it you think it's because he adored her, but that smile could mean anything. And given his true nature, he was probably thinking about how easy it would be to manipulate her because of how smitten she was with him already.

He also mentions to Anna how "invisible" he feels next to his older brothers and comments immediately after about "how rich the kingdom here looks". It was kind of a big hint. He doesn't go for a comment about Anna , but rather her kingdom and what it would be like to live there. Even in the song together, he gives a suspicious vibe. Such as when Anna makes the "sandwiches" comment, and he says "I was thinking that too!" It seems out of sync, because it was meant to be out of sync. It was meant to be a forced line because the story is laying a hint there that Hans is forcing this connection with Anna. This is also something that narcissists and sociopaths do; they mirror people's emotions and personalities to connect with them so they can manipulate them better.

Also at the party, I noticed how closely Hans really followed her. I mean, he was right there to catch her when she was about to fall after her sister upset her. It's something you don't really think of at first, because you just expect the typical love interest to pull a move like that. But in retrospect, it was really creepy of Hans. It means he was shadowing her.

Another hint was when Anna went off to save her sister. Hans replies with, "Do you think you can really trust her? She seems dangerous!" This is her sister. She has known her sister all her life and this man for only a day. This is something narcissists and sociopaths do. They try to sever the ties with people you love and care about to isolate you. Especially when the interactions with said narcissist or sociopath is still new, because it means you still have an idolized view of them and will listen to what they have to say. Also, even when Anna is just about to leave and how she was almost hurt by Elsa at the party, Hans instead asks questions about how if she has those types of powers too. He doesn't really ask if she's alright or if Elsa is okay. He's prodding for information instead.

Also, the way he takes to power so readily is rather chilling. He mentions to the Duke of Weselton that he could have him put away for treason. This shakes up the Duke of Weselton quite a bit, but Hans just comments on it like it's nothing to him to have someone locked up or even executed for treason. This type of behavior is a ruthlessness that is seen in narcissists and sociopaths.

Also, the crossbow scene when the ice chandelier is about to fall. I noticed how Hans pushed the crossbow to aim for that. Which is interesting, because he could have picked any target for the aim to hit. Instead, he "coincidentally" aims the hit to dismantle the ice chandelier, which is just above Elsa's head and would have killed Elsa had she not have fled before it came crashing down. This seems like an accident at first, but in hindsight this was pretty clever in hinting about Hans' true intentions. It would have made him look like a hero while still getting rid of his target.

Instead, Hans is left with imprisoning Elsa to get her out of the way. And to add insult to injury, he inquires her and how she uses her powers. Only to find that she has no control over them. Funnily enough he leaves her after finding that out, and you see him later after his big reveal to Anna how confident he is in that he can defeat Elsa.

Other than that, the other storytelling devices that are used is the red herring, the Duke of Weselton. We are meant to think that he will be the villain, when in reality, the bigger threat was right under our nose. Also it's interesting how Kristoff and Elsa, two people who turn out to be important in helping and caring for Anna, disprove of Hans. Kristoff mentions how weird he finds it that Anna would get engaged to Hans within a day, saying, "Do you even know anything about him?" Elsa says something similar to that effect too. And Anna really didn't know anything about Hans, thinking he was sweet as her when really he's an insidious, manipulative snake.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly? I though he was just a psychopath, with perfect acting and capable of manipulating everyone around him.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, the fact he was too perfect is a warning sign in itself. As well as his kindness? Well, gee, if he plans on ruling a foreign country, he'll certainly need to be popular to the people! Everything he does is kind of geared to make Anna and the People like him so he can gain the throne.

[writerserenyty]

I adore this song because it's secretly the villain song of the movie even though it's in the guise of the stereotypical love duet.

I just really like this movie. But yeah, I like your headcanon. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, like like that reasoning, this is both the love duet and the villain song!

[(Anonymous)]

/sort of related

I'm annoyed by the twist about Hans, and not because I particularly liked Hans. It just felt really cheap and unnecessary to me, like they made him evil just because they didn't want to deal with a love triangle. As it was, all they needed to do was have the True Love's Kiss just not work, and have Elsa get attacked. They didn't need to pull a suddenly evil character into it, especially because another character had already tried to assassinate Elsa. :/

[caecilia]

tbh right before the twist I was thinking "Ohhh, Hans is gonna end up with Elsa", and then I thought what happened was a lot better. And I dunno, it kind of makes sense that if a kingdom closed itself off for at least over a decade, their neighbors would start to get suspicious and power-hungry. Plus, Arrendale looks like a nice place with lots of natural resources and a strong trade system. Why wouldn't more than one kingdom want a piece of that? Actually my headcanon is that everybody at that ball had some kind of plot against Elsa, Hans and the Duke's were just the ones that actually almost got somewhere. If they just wanted to avoid a love triangle, they could have just not written Hans in.

[(Anonymous)]

To me the fact that they made "Prince Charming" evil is just too delicious a subversion to not love.

I wouldn't love the twist as half in any other film property, but given Disney's track records and themes, it just works so great.