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fandomsecrets2013-12-20 07:01 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2544 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2544 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Kim Richards, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills]
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[Saints Row IV]
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[Supernatural]
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[Magnificent 7]
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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
06. [SPOILERS for Supernatural]
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07. [SPOILERS for Sons of Anarchy]
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08. [SPOILERS for Person of Interest]
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09. [SPOILERS for I have no idea. Doctor Who?]
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10. [SPOILERS for Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.]
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11. [SPOILERS for Frozen]
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12. [SPOILERS for Reign]
[WARNING for dead people?]
13. [WARNING for rape]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #363.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - ships it ].
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-21 05:32 am (UTC)(link)Just because people in fandom woobify her doesn't mean that's what she is. Her actions speak for her.
But I do agree with you about the writers backtracking on the good/bad mother thing. And I think they're trying to write her as somewhat sympathetic so they could 'redeem' her but it comes off as ridiculous. The story with her holding a grudge against a 8 year old Snow White when her mom was the one who killed her boyfriend just makes her look all the more petty, vindictive, cruel, and selfish. I mean she is the 'evil queen'... but there's no room for nuance or another side of the story here.
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-21 02:59 pm (UTC)(link)I actually disagree with this, in that I think it makes a lot of sense for her to blame Snow more strongly than Cora for reasons other than selfishness. Mostly because of two things: she loved her mother, and initially she thought Snow had told Cora on purpose rather than being tricked into it (which is mostly according to the actress, but it makes sense given the kind of motivations Regina grew up with, and with what she knew of the events at the time). I think the combination of those two things genuinely could lead to a strong hatred of Snow without it being necessarily a case of selfishness.
Regina loved Cora, we saw that repeatedly. She loved her mother to the point that she couldn't bring herself to personally kill her, to the point that she viewed her love for her mother as her 'weakness' in the sense she viewed other people's romantic and familial loves as weaknesses, to the point where she gave up almost everything she'd earned previous to S2 just to have her mother love her again. She wanted to earn Cora's love. Despite the fact that she knew Cora was always going to hurt her, Regina genuinely wanted Cora to love her, and wanted to be able to love Cora. It was fucked up like no tomorrow, that love, but it does make sense.
Regina didn't love Snow. She never loved Snow. She might have been able to learn, once, but at the time they fell out, Snow was no more than a tentative friend to her at best. So when it came to choosing who to hate more, it would have been infinitely easier to let herself hate a relative stranger than it would have been to hate the mother she still loved. I'm pretty sure she didn't even want to choose between Cora and Daniel overtly, despite Daniel being her true love, which is part of why she was running away with him rather than trying to confront Cora. That, and fear of what ended up happening. She always knew Cora was dangerous, always knew Cora would hurt her, always knew Cora would never let her be happy, but she thought that if she just managed to escape, she'd never have to confront that fact directly.
And then Snow forced the confrontation, and everything that came after it, and I think Regina felt like Snow had not only cost her Daniel with that, but also forced her to actually take action against the mother she loved at the same time.
And yes, that is still an incredibly fucked up thing to blame on an eight year old girl, but then we add in the second part. That Regina honestly believed, at the start, that Snow had done it deliberately. That when Snow said she'd done it because she didn't want Regina to lose her mother, she meant she'd actually deliberately gone to Cora with the secret rather than Cora tricking it out of her. I don't know if she thought Snow wanted or expected that Daniel would actually end up dead, but I think she did probably believe that Snow had wanted for the escape to fall through. Which meant it wasn't just Snow's fault Cora had found them, but that it was a deliberate action on Snow's part. Given that she's just watched the person she loves be murdered right in front of her, she's not thinking too critically, and the idea that somebody deliberately set in motion the events that led to that is probably an entirely legitimate emotional reason to hate them. Regina knew what Cora was, that she was dangerous and willing to hurt people, she'd planned for it and was going to find happiness despite it. Snow destroyed that, and as far as Regina knew deliberately so.
I'm not saying that these are rational reasons to hate an innocent eight year old more than the abusive, murderous woman who actually killed the man you loved. I'm saying that given Regina's desperate love for her mother, her understanding of the events and Snow's role in them, the fact that Cora was still playing the 'doing what's best for you' card that Regina's been trained her whole life to believe, and the fact that she's emotionally shot to shit from having just had Daniel murdered in front of her, it's not particularly surprising that it was Snow she latched onto to hate rather than Cora. Comparatively speaking, hating Snow was both justified according to what she understood of the situation, and infinitely safer and less emotionally damaging than trying to abandon her love for Cora and hate her unreservedly.
Which doesn't actually excuse any of her actions based on that hatred, particularly on a scale of 'murder hundreds and curse thousands', of course. I'm just saying that intial knee-jerk reaction to hate Snow rather than Cora does make emotional sense, and not because of any inate selfishness on Regina's part, but more as a result of her love of and abusive relationship with Cora compared to her relatively new and fragile relationship with Snow.