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⌈ Secret Post #2547 ⌋

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Comments

[badass_tiger]

Well Holmes did kind of lie to him and then left him all alone for quite some time and it traumatised Watson. Yeah Holmes has a good reason but if he just turned up, it's quite reasonable for Watson's first reaction to be anger. If he went on being angry for an extended period of time, I'd think that's stupid and stretching for drama but the trailer makes it seem like he got over it.

[(Anonymous)]

However "reasonable" that reaction is? It's not what happened in Canon. The opposite happened in Canon. But given that Moffat and Gatiss have taken it as their sole mission in their lives to thumb their noses at Canon like snotty little brats, this is hardly surprising. Whether or not the fandom is enabling them or encouraging them, IDEK anymore.

/omg-y-so-bitter

[badass_tiger]

Well ... so what? It's not supposed to be a faithful adaptation. It takes place in modern-day, and Holmes doesn't even pretend that he's Sherlock Holmes of ACD's canon. Even ACD himself liked alternate adaptations, he wouldn't mind Watson acting a bit more rationally to Holmes' disappearance.

[(Anonymous)]

They're not thumbing their noses at canon like "snotty little brats", they're changing things because they want to do them a different way. Its distance from canon and its quality aren't intrinsically related.

Put another way, the reason it's shitty isn't because it deviates from the canon. It deviates from the canon and also, separately, it's shitty. I'm not saying that you have to like the deviations (I don't) but they're not the determining factor of whether or not it's good. And also I feel like treating it as a personal insult is real weird.

[(Anonymous)]

You know..if you want CANON Sherlock Holmes stuff, I think there is a series of books by some guy named Something Doyle.

OMG THEY MADE THEM INTO BOOKS!!!!11

[elephantinegrace]

In all seriousness, it's not the fact that they deviate from canon so much that ticks me off. Even Granada deviated from canon. It's how so many of their fans and the people actually involved who claim to be "oh so loyal" to canon when it's really just sly references here and there.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get why so many people are upset when remakes aren't true to canon or to earlier versions. I could understand if this was the first movie or show based on the books, but Sherlock Holmes has been remade like a hundred times already. IMO the only thing that makes new versions of something worth watching are the differences. So stick Holmes in modern-day London or New York, make him a jerk, have Watson be a woman, change the cases around, create new cases....hell, make Holmes a New Jersey doctor played by a British guy with an American accent. At least it's different. Otherwise, it's just like watching the same play over and over, just with new actors; what's the point?

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Holmes has always changed, remember that time he and Watson fought the Nazis? I don't, I'm not that old, but I saw the movies one Christmas when they were on some crappy cable channel.

[(Anonymous)]

Because, initially, they did the PR rounds saying they were going to be true to the Canon, just update it for modern times. Then all of a sudden they started talking about emulating a series of completely-divorced-from-Canon pastiches from the 1930s(? I think) instead.

It's the bait-and-switch I'm still bitter over, personally. Yeah I admit there are worse things in the world, and I should get over it. But there's just so, so, so much wasted potential. It's a disappointment.

[intrigueing]

I totally agree with all of this, especially the "watching the same play over and over again" part, but it's not the fact that it deviates that ticks people off, it's the fact that fans keep saying "THIS IS SO TRUE TO CANON" when it's not, and that Moffat & Co. claimed it would be true to canon, then changed their mind after one episode.

See, I personally greatly prefer adaptations that take creative license over ones who try to be totally faithful to canon. I mean, if I want canon, I'll read canon. And I don't need any convincing to read canon, because I really, really adore canon and it will always trump all adaptations to me, so why should I try to make adaptations live up to an impossible standard? I want to see adaptations playing around and trying different things. But not everyone is like me, so claiming something is just like canon when it isn't is false advertising for those who do want a faithful adaptation.

So, basically, if you do take creative license with canon, just admit it. It's really annoying when people claim an adaptation is canon, especially when there is really no harm in saying "no, it's not just like canon, but it's still good." Canonicity is not synonymous with superiority, especially with a canon that's painted in as broad strokes with as many possibilities for interpretation as Sherlock Holmes, so I don't get why people have to falsely claim their version is the canon-est version and therefore the best version, QED.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know Moffat, et al. had said that and if that's the case, I can see your point. It sucks going into a show expecting one thing and getting another. It was rec'd to me by a friend who said it was set in modern times and it was by the guys who do Dr. Who, so that's all I knew going in. I figured being modern would make it different enough that I wouldn't be bored and so it worked out for me.

You're right, though, that if it's not canon then it shouldn't be sold as such.

[(Anonymous)]

But I think whether one thinks it is true to canon is entirely subjective. Personally I felt it is quite close to canon (as close as a modern day adaption can be), yet I've seen others say its nothing like *shrug*

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah they also didn't have cell phones in Canon, this show is bullshit

[intrigueing]

Hey, I'm not a fan of Sherlock at all, and I'm a HUGE fan of ACD canon, but I sure don't mind if they explore something different than canon. It's really fun to see adaptations try out something different. I mean, come on, a lot of people wished Watson DID punch Holmes in the nose in The Empty House, and an adaptation is a great way to explore that "what if?"

[(Anonymous)]

I think it would really make John come off like a pathetic doormat if he just immediately said "oh great no problem! I'm not the slightest bit bothered that you deceived me and made the last two years of my life miserable!" He shouldn't be mad for too long, because of course Sherlock had no choice, but it's hard to believe he wouldn't be angry at first.

sorry but idgaf that that's what happened in canon, it doesn't make sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I would say it did make sense for Watson to immediately react the way he did in canon -- the guy IS forever ignoring himself, and after all he was really really overjoyed and relieved that Holmes was alive and got whipped into a new, immediately-pressing adventure straight away. For him, it's in-character to forget about the fact that he got screwed in favor of his joy in seeing Holmes again. But I'd still bet that later, after all the excitement and shock wore off and he had time to think about it, he would be pretty upset and hurt. (But of course canon has the unfortunate Catch-22 of Watson being far too polite to air his dirty laundry in a public story.)

BBC!John, on the other hand, doesn't defer or ignore his personal issues and reaction nearly as much as canon!Watson, and also hasn't known Sherlock as long as Watson knew Holmes (ten years vs a year and a bit) to get desensitized to Holmes fucking around with him. So IMO it would be far more in-character for John to be immediately furious than to react the way canon!Watson reacted.