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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-23 07:02 pm

[ SECRET POST #2547 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2547 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
*applauds picture choice, has nothing to say about secret*
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2013-12-24 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Because John doesn't know that and that kind of betrayal can make someone very pissed. I wouldn't think it bad for him to be angry for at least a couple months. Sure you may rationally know something, but emotions are not rational.
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(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree. Mourning is a deeply unpleasant experience and it's more so when the death is sudden and due to something like suicide. Source: personal experience.

Coming back from the dead and saying "Sorry I put you through hell; I just wanted it to look real," is a pretty harsh betrayal. If it happened to me I'd be relieved the person was actually alive but I wouldn't be able to forgive them.
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[personal profile] badass_tiger 2013-12-24 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Well Holmes did kind of lie to him and then left him all alone for quite some time and it traumatised Watson. Yeah Holmes has a good reason but if he just turned up, it's quite reasonable for Watson's first reaction to be anger. If he went on being angry for an extended period of time, I'd think that's stupid and stretching for drama but the trailer makes it seem like he got over it.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
However "reasonable" that reaction is? It's not what happened in Canon. The opposite happened in Canon. But given that Moffat and Gatiss have taken it as their sole mission in their lives to thumb their noses at Canon like snotty little brats, this is hardly surprising. Whether or not the fandom is enabling them or encouraging them, IDEK anymore.

/omg-y-so-bitter

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
It's not the initial faking of his death. It's the fact that when the coast was clear, Sherlock didn't pop up and say, "It's okay. I'm here. I had to do it because of blah, blah, blah" even when John begged at Sherlock's grave for him to pop up. At very least, Sherlock could have sent a text saying, "Not dead. Don't tell anyone!" and I think John would have been okay with that. However, the year long deception? Yeah, if I were Watson, I would be pissed too.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
... really? lmao.

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[personal profile] siofrabunnies 2013-12-24 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Sucky things, even if done for a good reason, still suck.

Imagine if BBC Watson had a gambling problem like ACD Watson. Sherlock knew, and squirreled money away from John and put it in a secret savings account. John's still going to be pissed that Sherlock stole from him, even if he's now got ten thousand pounds in a bank account instead of a bookie's leger.

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
I don't watch the show, but maybe Watson figures it wouldn't have been so impossible for Sherlock to drop a little note in his mailbox saying, "btw, not dead, keep pretending I am tho, plzkthx."
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[personal profile] helenadax 2013-12-24 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
It's because thinking for years that your best friend is dead sucks.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but it's still understandable to be pissed off even so. Just because you have a good reason to do something doesn't mean it won't hurt regardless of your good intentions.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
It's more the fact that he didn't let John know for ages than the initial faking. If he had managed to sneak a secure note a couples weeks later letting him know he wasn't dead, that would have been okay.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
Sherlock played dead for two years in canon. He popped up out of nowhere. In this version, Sherlock knows how awful it feels to be lied to because Irene Adler did it to him, though for months rather than years. Sherlock knows John feels deeply, and yet he lets him suffer the perceived loss of his best friend long after the danger has passed. Good motives or no, John has every right to be upset.

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[personal profile] cloud_riven 2013-12-24 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
*smiles sadly*

One day you'll understand people, Sherlock. Maybe one day.

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Secret 11 - Sherlock (BBC TV series)

[personal profile] transcriptanon 2013-12-24 01:00 am (UTC)(link)
[Picture is Sherlock Holmes and John Watson from the BBC TV series "Sherlock". Sherlock is looking confusedly at Watson, who is making a "see what I have to put up with" face at the camera.]

I don't understand why people think John has every right to be upset at Sherlock for faking his death. He only did it to save John, Mrs. Hudson, and Lestrade from Moriarty! Maybe there's something I'm missing.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
WTF dude... intent isn't magic, as they say. You can have all the best intentions in the world but if you NEVER TELL THAT PERSON how the fuck are they SUPPOSED to feel? Sherlock did this for the right reasons, but John has no clue whatsoever. He can have every right to be upset EVEN IF Sherlock did it for good reasons. Even after he finds out those reasons, those emotions won't just vanish. That's not how emotions work.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
Because being put through the trauma, grief and pain of losing your best friend only to find out that it was all a lie? Sucks hardcore, even if it was for the best of intentions. Even though I'm sure John understands it logically, it's still going to suck emotionally and most people would be hurt and angry after something like that, and some for an extended amount of time - which would be understandable. Doubly so, because he let it go on for so long after it would have been safe for him to come back.

Hell, there are people who'd probably have trouble staying friends with him after this because that kind of thing would fuck with your head in all kinds of ways, including [maybe especially] when it comes to trusting that person.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 01:39 am (UTC)(link)
What kind of doormat/robot do you expect him to be here? His heart is broken by the loss of some one very important to him, he works for a LONG time to work past it and BOOM finds out it was a lie? So, what, Sherlock is all "oh I did it to save you" and HOT DAMN THAT'S ALL WE NEEDED and Watson goes "oh well then all the heartache and grief and anger and guilt I've felt over your apparent suicide for years is now totally okay because it turns out you lied for my benefit, we're all good now"
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[personal profile] bringreligiontothewamwams 2013-12-24 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, loads of good intentions and well meaningingness, but he still ripped John's heart out through his ribcage and used it as a crash mat. Plus John is left to face the media storm alone. After all that Moriarty whipped up, the British Tabloids will want someone to lynch and if Sherlock is dead and Mycroft is anonymous that just kinda leaves the surviving sidekick to carry the can. I'd be pretty pissed about that too. Plus it is the same principle that makes your mother whup your ass when she sees you almost get run over in traffic. Relief that your stupidity didn't kill you does not erase the stupid in the first place.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
John already has PTSD and watched his best friend jump to his death in front of him; he saw the smashed up body.

I don't care who you are, that is a shitty thing to do to someone you care about and then keep on pretending you are dead for two years and then just SURPRISE JOHN I AM NOT DEAD LETS SOLVE CRIMES.
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[personal profile] rbhudson 2013-12-24 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
Evidently you've never experienced someone in your life committing/attempting suicide. At least I hope not, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
Because it doesn't feel nice or heartwarming when someone makes a decision that's "for your own good" when you are an adult who is perfectly capable of making your own decisions. It can be a gesture that has all the best intentions in the world, but when you come right down to it, it's a gesture that says, "I have decided that you aren't capable of choosing what's best for yourself, so I will remove that choice from your hands."

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[personal profile] electromouse 2013-12-24 06:00 am (UTC)(link)
Probably because a friend dying is actually pretty upsetting and something you just never get over. If I was in Waston's shoes, I'd be feeling pretty upset and relieved, not to mention pretty damn hurt.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
He doesn't have a right to be upset about the actual faking, because there was nothing Sherlock could hav edone about that. But he's got plenty of reason for being upset that Sherlock kept him in the dark for two years. Especially since it's unlikely Sherlock will even really apologise properly.