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[ SECRET POST #2549 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2549 ⌋

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[Perry Mason]

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[Johnny Weir / Thor fandom]

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[Swedish Chef/Gordon Ramsay]

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[Hannibal]

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[Big Bang Theory]

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[The Lion King]

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[Billy Madison / Happy Gilmore]

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[Caitlin Moran, Sherlock]

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[Tales of Vesperia]

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OK, but the author can't cry foul, because she put it on the Internet. This isn't a difficult thing to figure out, you know! Once it's out there, anyone can (and, as demonstrated by what happened, will) do whatever they want with it.

Like I said in my original comments: Authors of this stuff (which, yes, I think is garbage, but I think most fanfic is garbage, so the SJWs upthread can get over their bad selves already) need to be aware of the fact that the people whose characters they are writing about do NOT live off the grid; most of them have Twitter or Tumblr or Facebook or Instagram or what have you.

So it's not as outside the realm of possible chance that these people are going to find the very things the writers of said things don't want them to find. Either through being told about it by others, or by looking it up and/or stumbling over it themselves.

My issue with the whole Caitlin Moran thing was that it was a public reading, not that they found the fic at all. Of course it would be stupid to expect Freeman and Cumberbatch to never find any of the Johnlock fanfiction that is out there. But it is not stupid to expect people to be decent about it and to avoid publicly mocking the author (have not watched the clip myself, so speaking hypothetically here).

Legally and formally, the author can't cry foul. But she has every right to be hurt and offended by how her work has been treated, regardless of its quality. People tend to be hurt when others are dicks to them.

Moran would never have pulled that stunt with, say, Sherlock/Molly or John/Mary fic. It's simple slash/homo shaming.

IA. There was a homophobic flair to it.

Not familiar with the issue at hand, but it sounds like of course the author can cry foul. Her[?] published work was broadcast without her permission. Putting something up on the internet as freely available doesn't waive all your rights to it ever, it's the same as publishing something in print and handing out copies for free.
If you want to record and broadcast a previously published work, get the author's permission. If the work is published for free, the author's probably not going to charge you to do a public reading, but that doesn't mean you don't have to ask.

...the author can't cry foul, because she put it on the Internet. This isn't a difficult thing to figure out, you know! Once it's out there, anyone can (and, as demonstrated by what happened, will) do whatever they want with it.

So, wait. You're saying that if I find some stranger's selfie, and photoshop their head onto a porn star or some shit, that that isn't a fucking appalling thing to do because, 'tee hee, they put it on the interwebs, it's fair game!'
This isn't an argument about what people are capable of: it's an argument about what's reasonable or decent. I am theoretically capable of arson. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't face consequences if I set someone's shrubbery ablaze. Moran did something that - obviously - she was entirely capable of. That doesn't exempt her from criticism.

This is the most reasonable comment in this thread imo

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"So, wait. You're saying that if I find some stranger's selfie, and photoshop their head onto a porn star or some shit, that that isn't a fucking appalling thing to do because, 'tee hee, they put it on the interwebs, it's fair game!'"

That is my point exactly, that IS an appalling thing to do, which is why no one should post selfies to the Internet (or be surprised when something like the above scenario happens) in the first place. Why anyone WANTS to post selfies to the Internet (unless they're trying to sell stuff) is still beyond my understanding.

Applying your above scenario to fanfic, however: If you (the general you) can't write/draw something that you're not 100% comfortable sharing with potentially everyone, then maybe you need to rethink, if not necessarily why you're writing/drawing it, at least why you would post it in a public space. Would you stand in a subway station naked, and then get upset at the cops for arresting you for public indecency? (Okay, bad analogy, but still.)

If you're standing in a subway station naked with a thousand other people who are also naked, and they only arrested you, you'd probably get upset.

[Anon you're replying to, I don't understand half of the abbreviations people use]:
If I'm naked on a nudist beach, and I'm arrested for public indecency, and everyone responds to the news with, "Well, why were you naked anyway?'", I'm probably going to go on a 'Punching idiots in the face' spree.

And people put pictures of themselves online for all sorts of reasons, many of them with the expectation that they will only be seen by family/friends - but even if they didn't, even if they turned off every privacy setting in the universe and shouted to the entire internet "LOOK AT MY REINDEER SWEATER", they do not deserve to be publically humiliated before people they admire for that.

Oh, and people share things with the internet that they wouldn't share with their nearest and dearest all the time. Usually, in the totally reasonable expectation that people are not going to be utter shits and start dicking them about. You're starting to remind me of one anon who was convinced that if a LGBT person had come out to ANYONE, they should therefore be fine with being outed to EVERYONE.

Sometimes people just place themselves in situations where they can be exploited. That doesn't mean that when it happens, the reasonable response is to go, "Ha, they deserved it, they made themselves exploitable," especially when what they're doing isn't any different from what hundreds, thousands others are also doing.

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(Anonymous) - 2013-12-26 23:05 (UTC) - Expand

It's actually a pretty good analogy, but it should have been phrased like this:

You're naked, in your own house. Other people may or may not be naked in there, too, but that doesn't matter, because Caitlin Moran has gone out of her way and found the key under your welcome mat, let herself in, and decided to drag you out onto the street. Actually, you're not even naked, because "Coffee" wasn't that explicit of a fic, so let's just say that you're wearing underwear and that's it. But you're getting arrested regardless.

Would you get upset?

Well, that'd be kind of shitty because you've taken someone's work and altered it so it misrepresents the original work, all for the purpose of making them look bad. Did Moran do that with the slashfic? Did she edit it to misrepresent what the author had written, or to put words in the author's mouth? Or did they just read what the author had voluntarily written and posted to the internet?

I'm not sure your analogy is a good one.

I don't even get people who say all fic is shit.

Do you even read... well, read anything really? Because I've read a lot of books and I've read a lot of fic and there are some shitty books out there and some good books out there, the same as there is with fic. Some books are even barely disguised or undisguised fic (Wicked, all those Pride and Prejudice things, etc.) The only difference is books are published and fanfic isn't.

this, so much.

All of this.

Make them go read Wide Sargasso Sea or something. If nothing else, it'll get them out of your hair for a few days!

I don't get it either. It's like people think if they say it's about the ~quality~ then their general misogynistic snobbery will pass unnoticed. It's not about the writing or that it's fanfic, it's about the women not being appropriately ashamed. They "deserve to be taken down a peg" right? Jesus.

Also lol that they think we haven't read/heard this a thousand times over and need to be warned.

Sure, Sturgeon's Law and everything, but no matter how shoddy a fanwork is, it's still something someone spent time on. It's still something they're proud of. If you were invited into somebody's house, you definitely have the right to point to a badly-made refrigerator magnet or something and laugh at it. But the host also has the right to throw you out of the house.

Look, if you went to a friend's house for movies, you'd probably wear something you wouldn't wear to a funeral, and you probably wouldn't wear either to a swimming pool. But you would still buy all three outfits, because it turns out that what's perfectly fine in one environment isn't okay at all in another.

....You don't surrender your copyright when you put something on the internet. Anyone can read it, yes, but that doesn't mean they're free to use it as they will, and this was technically a public performance, and seems to have been done for the purpose of mocking it. That means it may have been illegal under English copyright law.

I was referring to that post up-thread but couldn't find it! You're a genius!

Again, copyright isn't lost because you posted it for free on the internet. Moran and Co violated the fic writer's copyright under U.K. law.

Also? Moffat and Co certainly didn't invent Sherlock Holmes or anyone else in their show. It's all a riff on public domain. So no, they're not Moffat's characters. He has no more right to be pissed about that fanfic than he does about House or Elementary or the original Sherlock Holmes stories.

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