[ SECRET POST #2550 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2550 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Grave of the Fireflies is the first thing that springs to mind, for me at least.

[(Anonymous)]

Better and more mature than adult entertainment as a whole or better and more mature than specific instances of adult entertainment?

[(Anonymous)]

Alright, that's what I thought you were going for, but you mentioning Ibuse's Black Rain and Hersey's Hiroshima made me wonder.

There's a lot animated stuff I like and I specifically go out of my way to find really good bits of it, but beyond some animated stuff being more experimental visual wise and maybe more less cynical as a whole, there's no way that I could argue that it's better as a whole than adult entertainment as a whole because of the constraints and expectations placed on it. There's specific instances, like Grave of the Fireflies, which I think is enjoyable in its own right and better than the average for adult media.

[(Anonymous)]

*less cynical as a whole

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on how you define mature. I'm sick of media slapping in some sex and violence as if that's a substitute for a mature well-developed story.

Kids and adults actually have to deal with a lot of the same things, maybe not paying bills, but we all live in the same world and have to interact with each other. When bad things happen, they don't just happen to adults. Good media will work with that and can be very mature despite it's audience. I'd say they're just as equal depending on who's writing the story.

[iggy]

+1

[nyxelestia]

Going on that, this is why I'm a huge fan of shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender (and Legend of Korra), and Static Shock. Even if they're very technically rated PG/PG-13, they deal with real world issues like war, genocide, political revolutions, socioeconomic inequalities, gang and gun violence, bullying (of the "people get expelled or killed" variety, not the "head shoved into a toilet seat" crap you usually see in the way kids' shows handle bullying), etc.

These are kids shows that handle these topics with a hell of a lot more maturity than much, if not most, of the adult material I see on these same topics. I'm not saying that all kids media is better than all adult media or vice-versa, but I sure as hell can believe that there is some fantastic stuff for kids out there and some family and adult-material that flat out sucks. So refusing to watch something just because it's targeted towards kids, which is what the anon at the top of the thread was talking about, is pretty stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

I recently watched Kaiba, which is animated, and I was really impressed with how it dealt with adult themes and how introspective it was. In particular, it was good about dealing with body swapping and feeling uncomfortable in them without resorting to the whole comedic schtick or dumb jokes that usually comes with that sort of thing. It also had a sex scene that didn't feel to me at least that it was added for drama or sexiness that I've seen in adult live action shows but rather part of the narrative. It was also more reliant on a "show, don't tell" narrative than most live action shows I've seen.

[iggy]

Well it could just be a matter of opinion, but I would consider a tv show like Avatar: the Last Airbender to be a superior presentation of a lot of adult ideas to a lot of adult shows. I think that Up offers a more mature and nuanced approach to love and grieving than most adult entertainment, and I legitimately think it was the best film the year it came out. Both are animated, and both are geared toward younger audiences. Someone mentioned Grave of the Fireflies as well.

Also children's and YA lit are kind of my focus study-wise, and I feel like YA lit especially is often a lot braver about tackling adult issues than actual adult books.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Hunger Games isn't a particularly outstanding example of dyslit, even in the YA field. But with science fiction film production so hidebound that we can't get Tolkien on screen without a gratuitous love triangle inserted by the studio during reshoots, it's probably going to be the one most talked about.

[iggy]

usually because they just haven't read/seen much of it since high school and what they have they didn't like

I am twenty-nine years old and I have seen and read plenty of adult media since high school and liked plenty of it too. Come on. I'm not referring to just a bunch of stuff I read in high school English class.

(I also don't like The Hunger Games. There are so, so many dystopian books that are better than that in the YA field.)

Yes you do come across sort of elitist? I mean I just don't choose which media to check out based on the targeted age range? I don't see why that's difficult to understand or why it baffles you so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I think the whole issue is that both sides are painting both things with broad strokes, because both things have a lot of material behind them and it's not quite clear what the argument actually is.

[iggy]

I don't really feel up to providing a bunch of lengthy examples and meta, but if you look around there's a lot of essays on how well specific pieces of children's media have handled adult themes.

I don't think anyone here is saying children's media is superior. In fact, no one has. They're saying some children's media is superior and some of it handles adult themes in really fantastic ways, and to be frank I think it's a bit silly to assume that wouldn't be the case.

[ketita]

fwiw I kind of get what you're saying. I've read a fair amount of YA literature but I do mostly prefer adult books.

I think for me one of the breaking points is now that I'm working harder to learn and succeed, all these 15 year old kids who are so much more capable than saving the adults who've trained for years etc. kind of frustrate me. I get that it's a power fantasy, and that's okay - and good, even, for kids! But as an adult, I find myself sympathizing with the adults more, and find myself annoyed on their behalf at these kids who show up out of nowhere and it's always all about them. Even when you've got people who've trained/prepared for years longer.

So agreement at wanting more details from people claiming YA is better across the board.

[(Anonymous)]

Wizards vs Aliens is a perfect example. Watch the Thirteenth Floor episodes and you'll see.