[ SECRET POST #2550 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2550 ⌋

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[Rachel Getting Married]


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[american horror story: coven]


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Comments

[iggy]

Well it could just be a matter of opinion, but I would consider a tv show like Avatar: the Last Airbender to be a superior presentation of a lot of adult ideas to a lot of adult shows. I think that Up offers a more mature and nuanced approach to love and grieving than most adult entertainment, and I legitimately think it was the best film the year it came out. Both are animated, and both are geared toward younger audiences. Someone mentioned Grave of the Fireflies as well.

Also children's and YA lit are kind of my focus study-wise, and I feel like YA lit especially is often a lot braver about tackling adult issues than actual adult books.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Hunger Games isn't a particularly outstanding example of dyslit, even in the YA field. But with science fiction film production so hidebound that we can't get Tolkien on screen without a gratuitous love triangle inserted by the studio during reshoots, it's probably going to be the one most talked about.

[iggy]

usually because they just haven't read/seen much of it since high school and what they have they didn't like

I am twenty-nine years old and I have seen and read plenty of adult media since high school and liked plenty of it too. Come on. I'm not referring to just a bunch of stuff I read in high school English class.

(I also don't like The Hunger Games. There are so, so many dystopian books that are better than that in the YA field.)

Yes you do come across sort of elitist? I mean I just don't choose which media to check out based on the targeted age range? I don't see why that's difficult to understand or why it baffles you so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Well I think the whole issue is that both sides are painting both things with broad strokes, because both things have a lot of material behind them and it's not quite clear what the argument actually is.

[iggy]

I don't really feel up to providing a bunch of lengthy examples and meta, but if you look around there's a lot of essays on how well specific pieces of children's media have handled adult themes.

I don't think anyone here is saying children's media is superior. In fact, no one has. They're saying some children's media is superior and some of it handles adult themes in really fantastic ways, and to be frank I think it's a bit silly to assume that wouldn't be the case.

[ketita]

fwiw I kind of get what you're saying. I've read a fair amount of YA literature but I do mostly prefer adult books.

I think for me one of the breaking points is now that I'm working harder to learn and succeed, all these 15 year old kids who are so much more capable than saving the adults who've trained for years etc. kind of frustrate me. I get that it's a power fantasy, and that's okay - and good, even, for kids! But as an adult, I find myself sympathizing with the adults more, and find myself annoyed on their behalf at these kids who show up out of nowhere and it's always all about them. Even when you've got people who've trained/prepared for years longer.

So agreement at wanting more details from people claiming YA is better across the board.