[ SECRET POST #2551 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2551 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Resident Evil movies]


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04. [SPOILERS for something but idk what]



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05. [SPOILERS for Frozen]



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06. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]



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07. [WARNING for rape]

[Martin Freeman]


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08. [WARNING for rape]



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09. [WARNING for domestic abuse]















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Comments

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[(Anonymous)]

Me either. But apparently it being a joke totally makes it okay. It's just a joke and all that nonsense.

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[kallanda_lee]

Because some of us believe no subject is taboo for humor. And there's a huge difference between something being in an unrealistic setting or not in that sense. I.e. you couldn't rape an elf if you wanted to, as they are not real.

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[(Anonymous)]

Fiction is not removed from reality, as much as you might want it to be. An elf is fictional, but a person isn't. Elves aren't that much different from real live people, they are PLAYED by real people. So I'm sorry, a rape joke about them still translates even if it's not literal. Would you be okay with rape jokes about kids so long as the kids weren't real? Would you be okay with raping a baby to death so long as the baby wasn't human in the joke? Comments and jokes and commentary about fiction mirrors real life, no matter how much you might want to think it doesn't.

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[(Anonymous)]

If fiction is not removed from reality, then every horror writer should be thrown in jail.

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[(Anonymous)]

Saying fiction is not removed from reality is NOT saying THEY ARE LITERALLY THE SAME THING. I am saying they are CONNECTED and pretending there is NO correlation EVER is unrealistic. Obviously not every fictional thing is LITERAL in real-life, but joking about raping some one is still joking about raping some one. Because the base of it is YOU THINK RAPE IS FUNNY. It's not. If a writer writes about rape or abuse or murder and treats it like a complete hilarious joke, yeah, I'd worry about their REAL views. If they write about rape or abuse or murder and treat it seriously, that's fine. It's removed enough that IT'S FINE. It's all in HOW you do it. Martin made a joke about how funny it is to rape. The context of it doesn't magically make it okay... the base of it, is that he thinks raping is funny, and that DOES translate.

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[(Anonymous)]

Writers of Friday the Thirteenth, and those types of movies, are not taking it seriously. So, to be clear, you worry about them?

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[(Anonymous)]

things that aren't funny in real life can be funny in fiction, because it's fiction and no one is actually being hurt.

it's really amazing how many people can't seem to comprehend that fiction and reality are not the same thing.

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[(Anonymous)]

THIS THIS THIS.

I laughed my ass off when half the people in Scary Movie # died but I sure as hell wouldn't find it funny IRL.

Hell, I even laughed at a rape scene once. I forget the name of the movie (it was in Spanish, I do remember that) but it was a comedy and the scene was freaking hilarious. The guy was trying to rape this woman and she pretended to enjoy it and he got freaked out and ran away. I still crack up thinking about it.

I certainly don't go out raping people, though, OR condoning rape. I don't victim blame, either. Like, ffs FS.

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[kallanda_lee]

That sound very much like an Almodovar movie.

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[(Anonymous)]

You ever see a film called (I think) Jack Frost, about a killer snowman?

If you're reaction to the scene where the snowman stops his killing spree to rape shanon elizabeth is not to immediately burst out laughing, I have the deepest sympathy for you.

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[(Anonymous)]

Depends, is the joke funny? You do know there ARE dead baby jokes right? Even though many people have lost their children. There are also jokes about murder, even though people are murdered every day. There are holocaust jokes. Slavery jokes. 9/11 jokes.

You know what jokes are to some people? A way to cope. Even people affects by these things will enjoy AND make those jokes. Because that is how they deal. Believe it or not, having something bad happen to you doesn't automatically make you a wilting flower. And if it does, you probably need to get some help from friends/family/professionals.

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[(Anonymous)]

Speaking of dead baby jokes, my cousin has a shirt that says "Abortion: It Brings Out the Kid In You".

He got lots of dirty looks when he wore it (some laughs too) but no one went and accused him of being a baby killer ffs.

Some people simply have a wilder sense of humor. It doesn't make them evil, jfc.

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[kallanda_lee]

I'm okay with rape jokes about kids when no actual kids were raped, yes.

If you're going to draw the line for what you can and can't joke about you'll just end up with a very sanitized world.

Jokes about cancer? Nope, somebody's dad might have died of cancer. Jokes about abortion? Nope, some might have just aborted a much-wanted fetus because of birth defects. Jokes about mental illness? Nope, some of your audience might have actually been institutionalized at some point.

And the list goes on.

I do not want to live in a world where everything is taboo to joke about because it might offend someone's sensitivities.

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[(Anonymous)]

I feel like if you're trying to make jokes about cancer, mental illness, rape etc. you are just trying to go for "shock value" or to be edgy and those kind of jokes are always eye roll worthy and not actually funny.
Of course you can make jokes about those kind of topics in witty insightful ways but I have a feeling that's not what you're defending here.

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[(Anonymous)]

Since you're defending Martin Freeman's joke

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[kallanda_lee]

I never said I particularly found it funny. It's just that the internet seems to think that making a rape joke is like the worst, most irredeemable thing one can do.

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anyone thinks that making rape jokes are the worst most irredeemable thing you can do (except for a small radical minority on tumblr or whatever). That doesn't mean that rape jokes are completely a-okay however.

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[liveoddly]

I think the real issue here, though, is about a. power dynamics, b. context and c. audience.

Power dynamics, because (in the Freeman case, since that's what we're talking about) the joker is the class of person most likely to perpetrate the act. I'm not saying all date-rapists are men or that all men are date-rapists, because that's not true, but given who he is and the position he fills in society, Freeman is more likely to be a rapist than a rape victim. Does that mean he is a rapist? No. Does it even mean he hasn't been raped? No. Does it mean that he's most likely coming at it from a position of ignorance and cultural power, given the fact that the social focus on rape is on male rapists and female victims? Yes. Yes, it does. Immediately, that makes it a dodgier joke to be making.

Context: there was nothing leading up to that joke. When I watched the video, my first thought wasn't even "Why would he say that?" but "why would he say that NOW?" He was asked which race he'd date, not what he'd do if Galadriel said no or whatever. Not that it would make it okay, but at least it would make sense.

Audience matters too. A comedian can get away with more, because the people in their audience know what to expect. Close friends, people you know, that's also different - you know what subjects are sore spots, and you can avoid them. But sticking a joke like that in a public, international setting where there's no reason to expect it is super dodgy. It was always going to be pretty inevitable that there will be rape victims in the audience, and when the audience is that wide and indiscriminate, some of them will be the ones who are triggered by that kind of joke.

With that in mind, it was at the very least an extremely poorly-thought-through joke which was always going to shoot him in the foot. Even if you want to make the argument that there's a place for jokes like that (which I would argue against; comedians like Dave Allen and Ross Noble do fine without them and are fucking hilarious), this blatantly wasn't it.

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[(Anonymous)]

thank you

plus, really, jokes are a form of political power depending on the context. trivializing or making something an issue. If rape victims are the butt of your joke, it's just... lazy. lazy, distasteful and probably not funny.

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[(Anonymous)]

yes

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[mechanosapience]

All of this. Thank you.

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[nan]

This is a beautiful comment.

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[(Anonymous)]

You're absolutely right. So nobody should ever make jokes about bad stuff ever again and if I make a joke about setting a house on fire people should assume I'm an arsonist and treat me accordingly. Do you see where your logic breaks down yet?