[ SECRET POST #2552 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2552 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I heard 0% from the creators and I have no blacklsit...I don't understand why people hate these sites when they are the ones who choose who they follow. I just unfollow people I don't like.

post one post pro abortion, you're gone.
post one post that is a little racist, you're gone.
talk down or bad about women (even if you are one), you're gone.

Human rights are a very big deal to me, so one post is all it takes.

If you seriously believe being poor or not up to the responsibility of taking care of a child means you have the right to kill them, or that men are never raped and rape jokes about women are funny I want nothing to do with you.

And considering how the popular belief is that abortions are great for women, even when every study ever done that actually looks at their mental health (it is 2013, I know you care about my body, as you always have, but I would like to think by now you cared about my mind, too) says the opposite and they still aren't required to do follow ups after having them preformed; it isn't exactly easy to find people who are both pro-human rights and against non-medical reason abortions.

tl;nr even if your beliefs go far against the norm, you still get to follow people based on whatever you want. If you wanted to avoid the creators, you could.

[forgottenjester]

even if your beliefs go far against the norm, you still get to follow people based on whatever you want. If you wanted to avoid the creators, you could.

I can say you have definitely made your case. Those beliefs don't normally go together. And yet, you can find a dash that suits you.

And I think that's all I'll say on the matter because as I'm sure you know this can get ugly fast.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you,

Because I don't normally ever talk about this, and I got really nervous right before I posted that. But it was the best way for me to make my point.

[(Anonymous)]

And I think that's all I'll say on the matter because as I'm sure you know this can get ugly fast.

*applauds* Because even before I got to this comment I decided I was going to follow this path as well...

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but why did you need to make the majority of that post just some irrelevant moral soapboxing shit?

You can't "unfollow" anon posts in the comments section, so keep it in your pants, please.

[(Anonymous)]

tl;dr

[(Anonymous)]

it isn't exactly easy to find people who are both pro-human rights and against non-medical reason abortions

*raises hand*

[(Anonymous)]

*high fives*

[(Anonymous)]

there are more of us? :D

[(Anonymous)]

even when every study ever done that actually looks at their mental health...says the opposite

Do you have a source for that?

[(Anonymous)]

Depend, are you going to say that because the studies weren't done in America they don't count? Because that is pretty much all anyone has ever said to me before when I provide them.

[(Anonymous)]

Da, Non-American sources count if they fall under the same qualifications as American sources that count - well researched with a variety of subjects and testers, cited sources, decent funding, proper scientific data presentation.

[(Anonymous)]

can I get a source on the mental health issues post-abortion? I'd like to have that to show people who call me a hateful anti-my-fellow-women bitch when I say that I'm not a fan of abortion.

[(Anonymous)]

whether you're a fan or not doesn't matter. whether you think it should be legal does.

[(Anonymous)]

Here: I just searched abortion, so they all should be about abortion in one way or another.

http://www.cmaj.ca/search?fulltext=abortion&submit=yes&x=-1080&y=-121

This is an important thing to consider when reading them....http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/276133/important-research-mental-health-effects-abortion-michael-new

But if you don't want to go through all that here are a couple about mental health:

http://www.cmaj.ca/content/173/5/466.full?sid=82f2b46f-b1a4-4f3f-85d4-82eb9d0e61ab

http://www.cmaj.ca/content/168/10/1253.full

[(Anonymous)]

Older women, poor women, abused women, women with stds, and accidental abortions of wanted pregnancies as side effects of medications.

Most of those women would have already had greater reasons to seek psychiatric help even without a pregnancy, and the stigma against women who have abortions would only have added to them. These all seem like the abortions are symptoms of greater problems in their lives, not the cause of them. (I feel especially bad for the last set of women though, that must've been horrible for them)

[(Anonymous)]

You mentioned you're anti-abortion, could I ask a couple questions?

Why would being poor or not up to the responsibility be invalid reasons for an abortion? If you are unable to care for or simply don't want a child, you shouldn't be obligated to have a child.

And if your response is adoption, do you take into account the financial burden of medical bills the pregnancy causes? Or what about the resulting increase of unwanted children into a system that isn't able to adopt out all the children already in it because so many people have a strong bias to have biological children? I haven't looked into anything lately, but has the anti-abortion side proposed anything like some sort of bill to have unwanted pregnancy care paid for or increasing the quality of the whole adoption system instead of just saying "women can't do that"?

The problem I have with most the anti-abortion side is that it seems to be ignoring the simple fact that some women just adamantly do not want to be pregnant, and they will not be pregnant if they don't want to. Even if all their care is paid for and the baby is guaranteed an adoption as soon as it's born, some women, for one reason or the other, don't want to carry or give birth.

I would much rather have abortion be legal so that those women can have their abortions in a safe, regulated medical environment rather than have them use any of the dangerous methods desperate women can take to achieve it. Making it illegal won't stop the people who want abortions from getting them, just drive them to very dubious 'doctors' or coat-hangers and staircases. Making it legal won't force women who don't want an abortion to have one.

[(Anonymous)]

What would be much better would be women being treated like human beings and not pets that need to be coddled. It isn't a secret that having sex makes babies. You acknowledge this every single time you have sex. It isn't a mistake, it is a consequence.

If you are poor there is government help to have your baby. I had no insurance and I have two kids...I have no bills from either of my pregnancies anymore. They were both easily paid off by my tax return. (An amount I would have got whether I kept my kiss or not—though I didn't get more because I kept them.)

There aren't any unwanted babies. Just look around at all the kids being adopted outside of the US because we don't have enough in the US to be adopted. Most go through private adoption and don't go to the state at all. There is a very, very long waiting list for adopting babies. You have better luck being a foster parent but then you won't get babies very often because they are adopted fast. It is the mother's choice how she adopts out, but finding homes really isn't a problem for babies.

YES! We need more government help to assist in women's mental health, but with everyone saying abortion has no consequences mentally or physically or is going to support that...it isn't going to happen no matter what the doctor's say. Because it still needs the people support and the people believe abortion is healthy and the women don't need help.

It is a lot cheaper to have an abortion than take on the mental health of the women seeking one. I don't see anyone saying, okay we'll compromise and say you have to have a medical reason to have an abortion after the first trimester if you open up centers that provide free mental/physical healthcare to women while going through an unwanted pregnancy, either.

If you are talking a politician...I've never found one I agree with.

And yes, sadly people will break laws no matter what they are, but we don't base laws on what is easy to follow. We should base them on what is the best for everyone involved and not simply the one with the loudest voice.

tl;dr I see what you're saying, but I would much rather the actual problem be taken care of so two people can have fulfilling lives ahead of them, instead of a quick fix that kills one and slowly kills the other.

[(Anonymous)]

*did get more

[(Anonymous)]

There aren't any unwanted babies. Just look around at all the kids being adopted outside of the US because we don't have enough in the US to be adopted.

Haha, oh wow. You've honestly got no fucking clue what you're talking about.

[darkmanifest]

Adults choose to do a lot of things that might not be good for them mentally or physically. It is not a viable solution to outlaw said things so as to protect mentally-sound, independent people from their own personal decisions, unless you can prove those decisions will harm others around them. Assuming you're in favor of outlawing abortion, anyway - I don't care if you just find it a distasteful moral position/decision but have no interest in legally abolishing it.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you so much for this. I know that when I come to FS what I really want is to hear someone tell me how horrible abortion is because that's totally relevant to the discussion at hand. Hell, when even the Pope has stopped focusing on this every minute of every day you might want to stop shoehorning it in everywhere.

But since you brought it up, I do care about your body AND your mind. I care enough to let you make your own choices about both based on your own beliefs and what you feel is best for you, not what I feel is best for you based on my own or anyone else's experiences. Please allow the rest of us to do the same.

*Not going to get involved, not going to start shit, not going to debate tonight...oh, fuck it.*

[nyxelestia]

it isn't exactly easy to find people who are both pro-human rights and against non-medical reason abortions

That might have something to do with the fact access to safe and legal reproductive health options ARE a human right issue, and that includes access to safe and legal abortions.

[(Anonymous)]

Question out of curiosity, because you mentioned the mental health of women: would you consider the mental health of the pregnant women a medical reason? If I were to get pregnant, I would have to go off my meds, which would impact my mental health greatly (I'm bipolar). As would carrying an unwanted child to term, actually, since it's a huge stressor and therefore guaranteed to trigger an episode.

[(Anonymous)]

It is quite easy to avoid people, or information for that matter. For example, there was a pre-screening of the new Sherlock episode. I am not going to go on the Sherlock tag on Tumblr, because odds (however small) are that I'll be spoiled. There are some people I choose not to follow because for every 1 post that interest me, there are 9 that don't interest me. Last but not least, some people I don't see eye to eye with since I'm gender queer and bisexual, I figure that they probably don't want anything to do with me anyway. I do read a variety of blogs, opinions and whatnot since I'm fascinated by what makes people tick. I might not agree with them, but it makes for very interesting reading for me.

Anyway, it's a choice everybody needs to make for themselves. You might miss some of the good stuff, or you take the good with the bad.