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[ SECRET POST #2555 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2555 ⌋

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[Attack on Titan/Shingeki No Kyojin]

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[The Muppet Movie]

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[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]

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[Frozen]

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[Once Upon a Time]

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[Dissonance]

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[Zooey Deschanel]

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[My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]

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[Eona: The Last Dragoneye]

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So, uh, I just noticed this last night.

First of all, why do they keep giving Frank Miller work? Is it blackmail? Is that why Rob Liefeld, Ann Nocenti and Kelly Jones haven't been laughed out of town either?

Second of all, it really really bothers me that DC keeps doing this shit. I love DC's comics, okay? When they're good, they're really good. Their best stuff far outstrips Marvel's any day, and even their worst stuff is better than Marvel's worst. DC tends to go for the complicated epics; their characters are, in a metaphorical and sometimes literal sense, gods, champions that people can look up to. While the characters can usually be somewhat unchanging or changing very slowly (it took 20 years for Batman to learn to accept help) the stories and situations they're put in are complex and play to the characters' strengths. Marvel on the other hand goes for straightforward stories that involve their cartoonishly-flawed "superheroes" beating the shit out of each other and crying "JEAAAAN!!" So it bugs the shit out of me that Marvel is so much more popular than DC right now, because DC's comics may be categorically better but Marvel is better at not fucking alienating everyone.

DC needs to do better than this. Their readers and the industry as a whole deserve better.

Not letting Batwoman get married, having Harley Quinn kill herself in a hilarious contest, and smooshing the timelines into a convoluted mess wasn't enough to convince you that they sort of can't do better than this now?

New 52 isn't as much of a mess as it's made out to be (it's still a mess, but I'm hoping given time the writers will work it out) but yeah DC didn't use to be this consistently stupid. I don't know what happened. I'm just hoping it'll all be over soon.

All the Robins existing in such a short span of time will never make sense to me.

Erase Damian from continuity. Give the others some breathing room.

(really hate that little fucker)

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Editorial and/or above lost their goddamn minds is what.

I am still incredibly pissed over Batwoman being up and stopped like that. It's the only comic I buy and now the story is changing, the artists have left and that's not what I wanted!

Incredibly pissed and upset. :(

I'm sorry for your pain. That is ugly as shit art and annoying.

Do you think they'll change anytime soon? It seems like no matter what they do wrong the old DC cruise ship still chugs on strong.

I'm hoping they do. But I think it may require a change up top. Dan Didio may have saved DC 8 years ago, but his shoot-from-the-hip editorial style has done more harm than good, and he's essentially the Peter Moore of comics. When people ask him "just how awesome is your comic" or "just how shitty is your comic" his response is the same: "SO awesome."

Also, Jim Lee shouldn't be allowed to make business decisions, period.

Hmmmmm, you're probably right.

But if he is as deluded as you say I don't see him stepping down any time soon.

I will rejoice when Frank Millar's body washes up without his head, his hands or his shrunken useless genitals.

MillEr, but you know what? I wouldn't mind Mark MillAr getting that treatment too.

I've heard so much crap about DC with how they treat their characters and things of that nature (mostly on Tumblr, so they've probably picked the worst) that I really can't bring myself to try it. Despite the fact that I've read a lot of Marvel and enjoy it. I'm sorry. :(

It's true, DC treats their characters like garbage sometimes. But I don't think that's really a good reason to avoid DC.

DC girl here: DC is not categorically better, but they might be if people like you stopped buying their books when they suck instead of insisting that they will always be the best because they're DC.

I don't buy their books.

They really do. I've completely dropped them but I still keep a casual eye on the comics I do like but...but they keep fucking up and I'm not giving them money or going to their websites or anything for that!

_{Bring back the real Batwoman story}

Dude, you are really behind the times. DC hasn't been better than Marvel for almost a decade. Possibly longer than that, depending on who you ask.

In the past few years Marvel's really stepped up their game, whereas the folks over at DC seem to have gone out of their way to sabotage themselves.

I'm really not, no.

Seriously, though - fanboy loyalties aside, I think this is pretty much a problem with the mainstream comics industry as a whole. I don't think either company is especially well run from a creative point of view, and I think the issues that you see in the one case are problems for the industry and the culture (or at least certain segments of both). The fact that Marvel's somewhat better run right now - certainly much, much better run on a business / financial / marketing level - and somewhat more open to change shouldn't mask over the real problems with the comic book industry as a whole.

(Also seriously I totally disagree with you, Marvel is so much better than DC. Their characters are more interesting and nuanced, and their stories might not be as complex and involved, but simplicity is not a vice) (of course ultimately this is a question of taste & it's all good either way really)

Massively flawed asshole does not automatically equal "interesting and nuanced" just so you know.

I agree with you on the state of the industry though.

I got a good laugh from the fan edit of the pic. Definitely looks better with Batman on the cover.

Why do they keep doing these things to Catwoman, though. How about slap Batgirl in a stupid pose and proportions for -

Wait, no. No, that would be worse. Never mind.

I admit that I love the characters and mythos of DC much more, but I dislike both the DC and Marvel comics because it's like picking your own poison. Every single time I've considered getting into a comic series something always happens to drive me away, like fucking Civil War or Amazons Attack. I'm supposed to give money to companies that let this shit happen?

I've been trying to convert some of my friends to western comics (they're all anime fans) but I just can't recommend anything from the Big Two because they BOTH keep fucking alienating me. Hell, Marvel has been alienating me more with their 'events' like Avengers vs Xmen and Civil War.

Luckily the DCAU is perfection 99% of the time.

I know this is a really unpopular opinion, but I can't stand the DCAU at all. It's basically cherry picking all those quiet, middling-important aspects of the DCU that make up the backbone of the stories and are essential for the strength of the universe and characters, but are fucking boring and blander than bland and absolutely stiff, empty, emotionally dead and featureless when put together all on their own - the only thing they do well is that they sometimes do really, really, good pragmatic adaptations of some of the original comics storylines that generally make more sense from a plot perspective and make me wish the comics had done it that way instead -- but the DCAU adaptations are invariably devoid of all the things -- the really big things and the little details -- that I liked about the DC comics in the first place, so even then I can't say I prefer them.

But IA with the rest of this comment. Except that I only like DC a teensy bit better than Marvel, rather than much more. I like them in such completely different ways that I almost can't compare them because the aspects I love are so separate and without any overlap, but then I remember that DC at least never did anything like Civil War ;)

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