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fandomsecrets2013-12-31 06:36 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2555 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2555 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Attack on Titan/Shingeki No Kyojin]
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[The Muppet Movie]
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[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]
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[Frozen]
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[Once Upon a Time]
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[Dissonance]
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[Zooey Deschanel]
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[My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]
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[Eona: The Last Dragoneye]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 038 secrets from Secret Submission Post #364.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
holy shit someone I agree with
(Anonymous) 2014-01-01 05:30 am (UTC)(link)On the one hand, there's people saying he deserved all the awful shit that happened to him and calling his and Belle's relationship Stockholm Syndrome (Lima I could maybe see, but...) and on the other there's people saying that he never really loved Milah or Cora because somehow that ruins his relationship with Belle if he was capable of loving someone else, that Milah deserved to die, that Neal was a heartless asshole for not instantly forgiving his father, that Snowing and co. are suspicious bastards who should be thanking him on bended knee for everything he's done for them... sigh. I just want to tell these people that if they're looking for one-dimensional characters maybe they should watch a different show. The writing's not stellar by any stretch but none of the main characters motivations are pure good or evil.
Re: holy shit someone I agree with
(Anonymous) 2014-01-01 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)Hah. Yes. I love them because they're all complicated little bastards, every last one of them. The writing on this show can be very dodgy at times (they have a tendency to compress some storylines and stupidly expand others in ways that make no sense, among other things), but it does at least give a lot of three dimensional characters, and some great emotional moments/conflicts.
(the amount of concentrated adorable when Neal and Belle were hugging him from either side made me grin like an idiot)
Oh gods, yes. I have that scene saved on my laptop, it's my favourite thing ever, if I can keep only one moment on the show, it's that one. His stupid grin when Neal rests their foreheards together and he realises that, for the first time ever, he finally has both his loves in the same place. Augh. Snapped my heart into little itty pieces with joy, that did.
(seriously, I get that having your wife who left you to raise your kid alone tell you she never loved you was a shit move, but Milah didn't deserve to die, dammit)
You can kind of see where he was coming from in that scene. It wasn't so much the 'never loved you' part, though I think those were the words that broke him, but it was a combination of a few other things. The fact that he'd thought Milah was dead, raped to death, and his guilt over having left her to that fate when it turns she was never in danger at all. The fact that she'd left him and Bae when the Ogre Wars were still approaching, given what ended up happening to Bae because of that (honestly, I seriously do think Milah should have taken Bae, because the kingdom was not safe for a kid and if she had a way out, she should have brought him. I think part of why she didn't, though, was that she knew Rumple would have followed). Then Rumple's own guilt and pain over what he'd done in her absence, having to sacrifice his humanity for his son, becoming corrupted by magic, letting Bae fall in the portal. It wasn't rational or fair, but he probably was blaming her for what he'd had to do without her as well. Also, he was well on the way to crazy after losing Bae, and he hadn't quite gotten to the calmer, more calculating insanity that he'd have 300 years down the line. All of this bundled together in the heat of the moment, and we get basically a crime of passion.
None of which, though, actually means that Milah deserved it. She did some really shitty things to him (letting Hook pretend he'd had her raped to death, abandoning Bae to the Ogre Wars) but, uh, not an excuse for murder, no. A reason, maybe, in that you understand where it came from, but no, she did not deserve to die.
calling his and Belle's relationship Stockholm Syndrome (Lima I could maybe see, but...) and on the other there's people saying that he never really loved Milah or Cora because somehow that ruins his relationship with Belle if he was capable of loving someone else
Well, there might have been an element of both Stockholm and Lima with him and Belle, at least in FTL, in that the situation in which they fell in love was decidedly artificial. There was an enforced isolation on Belle, and an enforced proximity that Rumple wasn't used to, which may have moved things along in a more artificial way than it would have otherwise. Which is possibly another reason why True Loves Kiss went so spectacularly wrong. I think it was only in Storybrooke, where they both had a chance to set some boundaries and interact with other people, that the relationship really started to get some ground under it.
Him and Milah and Cora is another kettle of fish. I actually loved his story with Cora, the glimpse we get of Rumple drawing on his darker passions and more immediate attractions, but also his base devotion to anyone he loves. It was darkly and gorgeously tragic, the parallels between Cora having to rip her own heart out in order keep her love from getting in the way of what she needed to do, and then Rumple later casting Belle out for damn near the same reason. His utter shock, 'Whose heart is in the box?', the fact that she was so tragically ruthless that it shocked the Dark One. I thought their story was spectacular, in a Shakespearean tragedy sort of way.
I do keep wondering about him and Milah, though. We know she eventually felt disillusioned, and that she said she never loved him, though whether she genuinely didn't and had just realised it faster, or whether she had once and the circumstances made it too difficult to later sustain, I'm not sure. I do wonder to what extent Rumple loved her, though. Almost everything we see between them was focused around Bae. Everything Rumple DID was focused on Bae. When you consider the devotion Rumple usually shows towards those he loves, the insane lengths he goes to, and then the fact that he didn't fight Hook ... I know he was crippled at the time, and pragmatic, and that he'd been beated down by years as the hated coward by that point. But he crippled himself in the first place for Bae, took on the Duke and the Dark One for Bae, under similar circumstances, and he didn't even trying sneaking back on board later for Milah (not that I'm saying he necessarily should have, just that given what we see of his other loves, it's unusual for him not to have). So ... I do sometimes wonder if Milah maybe wasn't right, and that at least after the war whatever love was between them was focused almost exclusively on their child, not each other?
that Neal was a heartless asshole for not instantly forgiving his father
... I will admit that I spent a lot of time sort of brokenly cursing at Neal during 3x04, Nasty Habits, because holy Saint Francis, Bobby Carlyle's face, it is not fair for the man to have that face. And I do think that Neal is an asshole a lot of the time (mostly in relation to Emma, because as much as I do like that pairing, he was kind of a shit to her and doesn't automatically deserve to get her back). But once the inital reaction of 'oh my gods, stop hurting him' subsided, it was kind of hard to deny that a) Neal has his own damage after three hundred years of struggle, and b) Rumple, honey, this is what it's like being on the other side of a parent's devotion to someone who isn't you. This is what it was like for Belle.
I do sort of think that Emma's difficulties with the Charmings is being better handled that Neal's similar issues with Rumple, though. In terms of writing, I mean. They're giving more weight to both sides with Emma and Snow/Charming, while I feel a lot of the pathos is being given to Rumple over Neal?
that Snowing and co. are suspicious bastards who should be thanking him on bended knee for everything he's done for them
*snorts* Uh, you mean everything he's done for himself, yes? Unless they mean in Storybrooke, and even that's sort of dodgy. And I've always loved how Charming, at least, genuinely does seem to help and support Rumple/Gold, even if he does spend a lot of it sort of baffled by how alien Rumple's mindset is. But then, outside of Belle, I think Charming is probably the person Rumple's connected to most, him and Emma. Emma because she's broken in a lot of the same ways as Rumple, Charming because Charming listens to things like 'I was in love once' and 'I need your help', and believes him. Also, because Charming came from a lot of the same circumstances Rumple did (poor farmboy made good), and possibly managed to avoid a lot of the mistakes Rumple did, which means Rumple interprets him as a good person to go to for advice.
... And I should end this comment at some point, shouldn't I? My apologies for the novel.