[ SECRET POST #2557 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2557 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I've never understood why there has to be conflict between those things. I've always liked both of them and I don't see any reason it should be a competition, but people seem to really view it as a zero-sum game sometimes. It does disappoint me that hard SF - or you could even go broader and say traditional SF - has gone into eclipse the way it seemingly has, but I don't think you can put that at the hands of fantasy. It also disappoints me that the kind of fantasy that's popular isn't really to my taste. Just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

(Maybe that's all because I've always kind of preferred softer SF over hard SF, though)

[dinogrrl]

Yeah, all this. Sci-fi/fantasy trends come and go just like anything else. 'Hard' sci-fi is still out there, it's just not in vogue right now. Just give it time. It'll come back.

[cassandraoftroy]

Yeah, I don't like looking at it as a zero-sum proposition either. I think there should be more of everything -- that way, everyone gets the kind of stories they want, rather than one group being happy at another's expense.

So in summary: MOAR STORIES!

+1000000

[intrigueing]

Nothing turns me off harder than zero-sum fan attitudes, even when I prefer one side -- it either makes me pissed for having my preference trashed, or makes me embarrassed to be associated with such whiners.

[writerserenyty]

Absolutely this. Not everything is a zero sum game.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I suspect the secret writer not only isn't reading much new hard sci-fi, but they're probably not reading much new fantasy either.

[visp]

Funny, I felt the same thing.

[caerbannog]

+6?

[(Anonymous)]

There doesn't have to be a conflict really, because as someone else noted, it's not a zero sum game. Armies of space fairies and magic werewolves doesn't mean there can't be oodles of hard SF.

What it really boils down to is old-fashioned sexism. A lot of the old school SF readers (and writers) are predominantly white and male. A lot of the new "soft" SF/fantasy writers and readers are female. The old school group is upset at what they see as an invasion of women spreading girl cooties all over their precious, precious hard SF and react accordingly. It's pathetic, but you can't convince them they're doing anything but protecting all that is holy and sacred about SF from The Enemy.

I just ignore them and read whatever I want.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never really liked this argument because it pretty much overlooks all the contributions that women have made to SF writing, and SF fandom, and SF culture. But as much as I dislike it, it probably is true at least for some people, unfortunately. There's probably other elements to it for some but yeah, for an uncomfortably large group of people, I guess it does boil down to that.

And I highly support your proposed remedy of just ignoring those people.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I agree. But I think it's a case of the old school angry white male writers who are overlooking the contributions women have made --and are still making!-- to SF writing, fandom and culture. I'm definitely not arguing that SF was all male back in the day, just that the people complaining about the evolution of SF are.

Either way, those guys are assholes and don't deserve to have their opinions taken to heart by anyone with sense.

[cakemage]

That's basically my viewpoint as well.