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⌈ Secret Post #2558 ⌋

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11. [SPOILERS for Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures]
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Comments

[othellia]

Of course, the only reason those ships are slash pairings to begin with is because ACD's stories had no prominent female characters with the exceptions of Irene and Mrs. Hudson. So its less "erase the queerness that was never really there to begin with and only kind of existed because EVERYONE was dudes" and more "hey when you genderswap some dudes it for a more gender equal cast you lose some of the slash ships".

Also Holmes/Moriarty is really Holmes/Moriarty-Adler, so I guess that makes it only a half "erasure"? IDK.

[(Anonymous)]

ACD had lots of female characters, excuse me. Many much more prominent than Mrs Hudson, and no less than Irene, who appeared, as they did, in exactly one story.

[(Anonymous)]

...and their names are?

[(Anonymous)]

Check out the comment before the one you replied to for just a few examples.

Other ones -- Effie Munro, Hatty Doran, Elsie Cubitt, Beryl Stapleton, Nancy Barclay, Sophy Kratides, Aggie the maid, the noblewoman who murdered Milverton (Watson withheld her name to protect her), Lady Frances Carfax, Martha (the lady who collaborated with Holmes to spy on Von Bork), Kitty Winter, Violet De Merville...I know there's more but I can't recall all of them since it's been a while since I last read the books.

[(Anonymous)]

*The comment BELOW the one you replied to, sorry for the wording-fail. The one by intrigueing.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I've read all the Sherlock Holmes stories multiple times in my life, and honestly I can't place most of these names to the stories they featured in. "Prominent" here definitely means "prominent in the public conscious", in which case the person above is correct. Mrs. Hudson and Irene are it, the former for her recurring status and the latter for being iconic. I'd throw Mary Morstan in there as well, arguably. You can't really say that the Girl of the Week counts as a "prominent" female character (even if she is important to that particular case), just like no one is going to argue that John Openshaw (whose name I had to look up even though I remember practically every detail of Five Orange Pips) is as important to most readers as, say, Lestrade.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

True as far as prominence in the sense of personal relationships go, but I wasn't talking about that, I was replying to the obnoxious commenter snidely implying that either there aren't actually many female characters, or that the female one-offs aren't worth remembering.

And I remembered all these names and the stories they came from off the top of my head without looking any of them up, though I've only read the Sherlock Holmes stories two or three times each, a while ago -- and I don't think I have an exceptionally good memory, so I've got to wonder if maybe people just don't pay any attention to client-characters anymore and that's why they don't remember them, given the regrettable devaluing and dismissal of the clients' stories and role in adaptations and fandom (which IMO removes a lot of Holmes's flavor as a helper figure that people go to when they have a problem and makes him into someone whose problems and adventures are all about him).

As for prominence -- the main reason those characters are prominent is because adaptations and pastiches have made them prominent. There's no reason that other one-off characters can't have their roles expanded in new adaptations the way that, say, Irene's role has been expanded in past adaptations.

Not that I'm complaining about the genderbending in Elementary mind you -- I personally think it's a great idea to enhance gender diversity in the actual main cast. The previous comment of mine was a tangent in reply to the opinion of the anon I was replying to, who seemed to think all the female characters there were forgettable. Which IMO, they were not.

[(Anonymous)]

Hahahahaha. Oh, dear. "Well, I've only heard of Mrs Hudson and Irene Adler, they must be the only prominent women in ACD Holmes". Not a safe assumption with so many canonites around.

See response below, but I could give you a LONG list inside two minutes from memory too.

[intrigueing]

Well, ACD did have a lot of female characters with just as much prominence (one story) as Irene (actually, way more prominence than Irene -- Irene had only one onscreen scene and almost no dialogue, just a letter. Her popularity is due to how big a personal impact she had, rather like Moriarty being TEH VILLAIN because he was such a big deal, not because actually had a single actual scene in canon that wasn't hearsay). There were plenty of female characters with a lot of involvement in the one story they appeared in -- Violet Hunter, Violet Smith, Mary Sutherland, Lady Brackenstall, Helen Stoner, Mrs. Hope, Mrs. St. Clair...a bunch more.

What ACD didn't have is any recurring major female characters, but then again he had only one major recurring character of any gender -- Lestrade. Mycroft only had two appearances (three, if you count The Final Problem), Mary had three with dialogue (one major, two minor), Mrs. Hudson had several appearances, but all of them minor. Hopkins had...three, I think? So technically, the fans or producers, if they wanted het pairings, could have just expanded the roles of those one-shot female characters the way they expanded Irene's, Mycroft's, and Moriarty's.

I think the main difference is that there's a difference between clients and personal associates when it comes to shipping -- people like to ship characters who have a lot of potential exposure to each other so the assumption of the pairing can be slipped in between canon scenes or behind the scenes, and/or stories can be written about the subtext or about the slooowww buuurrrnnn, because there's not as much fun in shipping a pairing where the only reason the characters would stay in contact is if one said "hey, I liked you, want to go out sometime?" ;)