[ SECRET POST #2559 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2559 ⌋

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Comments

Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

When did people start forgetting that headcanon does not mean actual canon? I'm getting so sick of people running these moral crusades against show writers, simply because the canon was "offensive" or "insulting" to their own personal headcanons. It's totally cool that you read certain character(s) as Asexual, Bisexual, or Homosexual, but just because they end up being *gasp* sexual and/or Heterosexual doesn't mean the writers have slighted you. If you want to stick to only one certain headcanon, then stop watching/reading/listening to the actual canon. Don't freak out about it when the real canon is shown to be something else entirely.

I'm Asexual myself, but I'm sick to death of the Asexual reading fans spamming tumblr tags with how someone having sex is insulting, and "omg this is an attack on people who want to stay virgins!" and blahblahblah. It is going to be an extremely rare event that a character is ever intentionally written as strictly Asexual, so to hope against all evidence to the contrary that a character is never going to be sexual is just...setting yourself up for disappointment.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get it either. I think some fans become so wrapped up in fandom, they almost forget canon is, well, canon. In some circles, it's not even "cool" to admit you like anything canon because of this.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

Hi, are you me? Because I could have written every word of this comment.

Yeah, it'd be great to have more canon non-heterosexual characters, but the existence of heterosexual characters is not part of some EVIL PLAN or conspiracy cooked up by all the writers to offend everyone who isn't heterosexual. For fucks sake.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[sarillia]

I hear a lot about this but I've never actually come across it myself. I'm even on tumblr and still, nothing.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm, strange, I come across it a lot. Especially for shows like SPN, Sherlock, etc

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[sarillia]

Ah that could be it. I have no interest in a lot of the most popular fandoms, like those.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Are there links or something OP can give us to show it's really prevalent as they say or do we have some exaggeration happening here?

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

Look for yourself, a popular one is SPN. Cas is Asexual/Gay posts or Dean is Gay/Bisexual posts. Have fun+

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

Considering I'm in neither of those fandoms, they're not easy to find. If you or OP want to provide some links for context that'd be lovely but I'm not scrounging through the tags to find a popular post that fits your complaint when I have yet to see such as you complain about at all. Which I should be able to find easily if they were as spammed as you say.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

You're the one who wants to know, you find them. You can't expect someone else to do your research for you.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

If you're going to be making a claim like this, it would help your argument to provide support for it. Being rude like that to the anon with a "google it!" response is something SJWs always use too.

Re: DA

[crunchysunrises]

It's also something that people who are tired of doing research for random internet anons say.

*brought to you by someone who was recently asked to define a common word during a discussion on a different comm*

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but my sis has sent me many the Castiel links. I used to watch SPN, not so interested in it these days, but still enjoy watching the kerfuffles from afar.

Here's a small sampling - an article about an SPN co-star, and the comments get wanky: http://tvline.com/2013/09/23/supernatural-season-9-shannon-lucio-cast-castiel/

You can also check out fandomwank, which has multiple write-ups:
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1304108.html
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1301892.html
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1301569.html

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[shortysc22]

I think it depends on the fandom.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[writerserenyty]

Recently, a JPop group I follow announced they were going to expand their promotion overseas, partially in hope that it would help with their Japanese popularity. International fans like myself are really happy, as this means it'll be a bit easier on us. Some Japanese fans are kind of pissed off about it and it's weird.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

That depends on the fandom. I've rarely seen anything about Asexuality in most of the my fandoms - though I do see a lot of complaining about that outside of fandom so I can definitely believe it happens in it.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[charming_stranger]

Fandom entitlement has been around for a long time; it just used to be that the only outrage you heard was when a character turned out to be anything-*but*-straight (if a character has ever turned out to be asexual, I missed it). Different groups complaining, complaint still basically the same: "OMG some fictional people are not the way I want them to be!"

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

Basically this. I don't know why the OP feels the need to single out these fans. This has been around even with het shippers, like with Harry Potter when Harry/Ginny came out as canon.

I happen to be gay, and I know not to delude myself that writers are going to make every character gay. But do I sometimes see something in a character based on how they interact with others? Yes. Am I allowed to get disappointed? I should think so. I can't control my feelings. And sometimes it does get tiresome to not see any people like myself in the media I consume. That doesn't mean I'm going to harass the writers or anything. It just means I wish there were more LGBT and asexual characters out there.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[nyxelestia]

Fandom entitlement runs long and deep, and is not even limited to headcanons and fanons vs canon*. Some of the fan-entitlement horror stories from the Harry Potter days go way, way back, and I'm sure older fans (especially the Star Trek ones) have even more to share from the pre-Internet days. And hell, fan entitlement was practically a section in my media class, re: the infamous Kirk/Uhura kiss.

Unfortunately, people have always sucked at distinguishing the finer points of reality from fantasy, and this has been greatly exacerbated by the Internet turning so much of real life into fantasy and giving so much life to fantasy.

Throw in even a smattering of sociopolitical agenda, and you've got a clusterfuck on your hands. Sure, greater homosexual and asexual representation in the media is important, but that doesn't mean an individual creator is making a slight against these communities by making their characters sexual and/or heteronormative.

* = 'fun' story - a few years ago, the Merlin kink meme, which was meant to be for all pairings, was getting overrun by Arthur/Merlin, a negative feedback loop that got worse as other pairing fans would leave the kinkmeme because of this, exacerbating the Merthur presence, etc. The mods - rather heavy handed types, but generally pretty fair and nice - decided that to encourage more participation from other pairings, they would suspend all Arthur/Merlin prompts for one round (which at the time lasted for less than a month). I am and always was a bit of a die-hard Arthur/Merlin shipper myself and even I thought it was a good idea, a great way to get more participation from fandom at large. The Merthur fans? Not so much. The announcement post generated hundreds of hate comments within a day, people saying that the mods' suggestion to 'hold on to those Merthur prompts until the next run' was dystopic and insulting, and people were calling them communists for doing this. People threatened to leave the entire fandom because one of the kinkmeme mods was also the mod of the biggest Arthur/Merlin community in the Merlin fandom at the time. It was one of the most ridiculous fandom blow-ups I'd ever seen.

Re: Fandom Entitlement (rant)

[(Anonymous)]

When people cry "I'm leaving fandom!" Like that, I think "Fine. Go shoot yourself in the foot/eat worms/whatever." If a fandom wasn't enjoyable anymore or you didn't have time for it or there was something else you wanted to do instead, then if course, leave. However, if you were having fun and there were a lot of other fans who like the same ships or whatever, then flipping out and flouncing off because some fans like other things is like saying "I'm going to deny myself the chance to have fun because soneone somewhere is having fun differently." It hurts no one but yourself.