[ SECRET POST #2563 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2563 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[ao no exorcist]


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03.
[Leverage]


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04.
[Doctor Who, Sherlock]

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05.
[Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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06.
[Frozen]


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07. http://i.imgur.com/NKDHxDP.png?1?4348
[Big Bang Theory; warning for suicide/depression]


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08.
[Amy Poehler]


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09.
[Deep Space Nine/Babylon 5]















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 035 secrets from Secret Submission Post #366.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, absolutely, they're exactly the same, if you choose to disregard a bunch of other characteristics like their profession or in River's case personal history... Nothing like wilfully oversimplifying readings of female characters in the name of feminism!

[(Anonymous)]

Shhhhh. This isn't the place for common sense, anon.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what bugs me about a lot of Tumblr-SJW critique of female characters: it's so reductionist and limiting, and spends so much time hating on "problematic" female characters so viciously, that it really comes off as more misogynist than the shows. There are a seemingly endless number of reasons to hate pretty much every female character ever, and man, do those kinds of "feminists" do it with great relish and joy.

[(Anonymous)]

Nonny, I think I luuuuurve you.

(And now I have 80's metal in my head.

[(Anonymous)]

But the hate is clearly directed at the male writer in this case? Sure, the characters are being criticized (for the way they are written) but the conclusion being drawn is that "Moffat sucks!"

[(Anonymous)]

Be fair now! No need for personal attacks. Moffat sucks as a writer.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, but do we really know him as anything else?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but it's often not expressed that way. (And honestly, it's tedious. We know. But if you still can't find anything to like about these women, then why even watch the shows? All of these characters, flawed as they are, still have things about them that I find interesting and relatable.) And these are far from the only female characters that get dumped on in the most appalling terms.

[fenm]

But if you still can't find anything to like about these women, then why even watch the shows?

You know Irene was only in one episode, right? Why would I stop watching Sherlock because of a one-off character?

[(Anonymous)]

I think the thing that irks me the most is this pervasive notion that a woman can't be a "good" female character if she's attracted to/in love with a man.

Guess what! Women get attracted to men! Even sometimes women who aren't straight! Sometimes we even fall in unrequited love with men! This is a real-world thing that happens. Good to know that it's such a dire failing as a woman that it negates everything else that character does and is.

[(Anonymous)]

At the same time, though, gay representation is the media is already shitty, so do we really need to perpetuate the tired stereotype of the hot lesbian who's totally DTF the male protagonist?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, I didn't care for that. If she'd claimed to be bi instead of gay, though, it wouldn't have pinged me at all.

[(Anonymous)]

If anything, I think bi representation is even worse, since it usually goes like this: gay relationships are used for fan service (if at all); straight relationships are used for plot!

[(Anonymous)]

Other than Irene, I actually can't think of any lesbian characters that did this? I know it happened a lot in older media, like some of the classic Bond films etc, but in the things I grew up with (I'm in my 20's) and currently watch? Drawing a blank.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

Oh and by knowing it happened I mean "read about it on the Internet in discussions on lesbian representation in the media."

[(Anonymous)]

She Hate Me (not a typo), a terrible fucking movie directed by Spike Lee, which is particularly ironic considering how vocal he is about other kinds of discrimination. Perhaps for the best you never saw it.

[(Anonymous)]

+ 1000000000. Moffat haters. Sing a new song because this one is boring.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm enjoying their delicious tears. Moffat is still in charge of DW, and probably will be for a long time, Sherlock is more popular than ever.

[(Anonymous)]

Sherlock is more popular than ever.

Someone posted on FS that the ratings for the premiere dropped by almost exactly 50% after it ran for 30min. (Meaning, of the 18m viewers (iirc) who watched it, 9m decided to turn it off part of the way through). So I don't think that theory holds a lot of water, unless you're basing your statement totally off of Tumblr, which is a lot of sound and fury, but not much else.

[lex_antonia]

I'll sing a new song when Moffat writes a story he hasn't done twice before. Happily.

[(Anonymous)]

...I don't think that saying they have different professions and a different history really addresses the fact that their personalities are very similar/they act in very much the same way.

If anything, shouldn't having drastically different back-stories indicate that they should be less similar?

[(Anonymous)]

if you choose to disregard a bunch of other characteristics like their profession or in River's case personal history...

BBC Sherlock's Irene Adler is a psychopath-for-hire who falls in love with a man and it ruins all her psychopath plans. (Even though in-universe, the character referred to as Sherlock is supposed to be a psychopath as well.)

River Song is a psychopath-for-hire who falls in love with a man an alien, and it ruins all her psychopath plans. (Even though Eleven was played as a fairly straight-up sociopath/psychopath at times, himself.)

...Totally different, you're absolutely right. Can't see how anyone could possibly mistake the two.

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, well done.

[(Anonymous)]

Good job.

[(Anonymous)]

Good job ignoring everything River did after trying to kill the Doctor, you mean.