[ SECRET POST #2564 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2564 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, that's not unique to Eleven. Nine and Ten where both dicks to their companions, as were earlier Doctors. That's kind of a trait of the Doctor, period.

[fauxkaren]

I won't deny that Nine and Ten were sometimes dicks, but usually the narrative called them out on it. And nothing that Nine or Ten every did bothered me as much as some of the shit that Eleven pulled.

"Oh yeah... I'll totally go look for your baby that got stolen because of me!" *goes coat shopping instead and screens Amy's calls*

DA

[(Anonymous)]

That has nothing to do with Eleven as a character, and everything to do with Moffat's inability to follow through on a plot, though.

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[fauxkaren]

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I mean, Eleven doesn't exist independent of the writing for him. So even if the reason that Eleven does some douchey things is because Moffat doesn't know how to write plots (for example, at the end of Day of the Moon when Eleven is like "scared, lost little girl running around? should we help her? NAAAAAH LET'S GO HAVE SOME MORE ADVENTURES") doesn't negate the fact that it is something that Eleven does and thus negatively impacts how I view him.

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[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

True, but all of Moffat's male characters are sociopaths at best and psychopaths at worst. (See also: BBC Sherlock.) So, again, it all comes back to Moffat's inability to write.

...that said, I have no dog in the hunt re: Rose/Ten vs. Rose/Eleven because I don't like Nu!Who. So.

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[kallanda_lee]

Pretty much this. Eleven had such potential, but it never fully developed under the shitty plot and character writing. Some goes for Clara, really.

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[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I still love Matt, and his Doctor was so deliciously alien in all the right ways that would have made me really happy after Ten, but Moffatt's writing just ruined him.

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[(Anonymous)]

+1 if it had been handled better, and the show written by a team of writers (instead of the odd guest appearance of Neil Gaiman), Eleven could have been better than Four.

[(Anonymous)]

Nothing Eleven did was more douche-y than Ten's attitude towards Martha.

[(Anonymous)]

... uh, no. he was insensitive towards Martha but that's not even NEAR the level of douche-y Eleven gets all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Ten pretty much dumped Rose to babysit his genocidal double that neither he nor Donna explained had picked up aspects of Donna's personality (so you know, while hopefully that makes him a BETTER match for Rose, there's the possibility it might...not, and maybe she should have been given time to process this rather than being slammed with decision time and pretty much strong-armed into making a "choice").

So really the idea that Eleven is bad for Rose after Ten's move there just makes me laugh. At the same time, I didn't find anything special about Rose and then found her overplayed, so I'm just glad that she will in all likelihood never be returning period.