[ SECRET POST #2564 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2564 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No, OP is criticizing her for being part of the military (which is responsible for a lot of the things people criticize Israel for). I don't think OP realized that every Israeli has to have some sort of military service and that it isn't actually a choice.

[(Anonymous)]

"I don't think OP realized that every Israeli has to have some sort of military service and that it isn't actually a choice."

Well maybe OP should do some fucking research into a topic before expressing any opinions about it.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, everybody has an opinion, educated or not. I have relatives who whine and bitch about saying Merry Christmas and not Happy Holidays (omg war on Christianiteeeee!) who don't even know that other holidays exist.

It's more constructive to be educational, and not a jerk about it. Otherwise you just put people on the defensive.

[233c]

I doubt OP actually cares one way or another. That's the thing about anti-Israel propaganda -- it's propaganda. It boils down an extremely complex issue into a simple black/white one. It's easy to blame Israel for everything wrong in the middle east, and be completely ignorant of the fact that Israel is surrounded by government and paragovernment bodies who actually have it in their charter that all Jews should die and Israel should be destroyed.

It's not that I 100% support Israel in everything they do, but what do you expect them to do in the face of that? Roll over and die?

[(Anonymous)]

And you think "almost all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic" is an especially nuanced response?

Seriously? Seriously? You're saying it's a complex issue and shouldn't be boiled down to a black-and-white thing. Well, fine. But boiling down a complex issue to a black-and-white one is exactly what you're doing by ascribing criticism of Israel to anti-Semitism.

[233c]

Not really, no.

Are there valid criticisms of Israel? Sure. I've made them myself -- and so have a lot of Jews, Israeli and otherwise. But pretty much everything most western kids parrot is derived from propaganda, because that's how propaganda works.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay. I don't think we're going to get anywhere on this, because it still pretty much seems to me that what you're doing here is still reducing complex issues to black-and-white. But fair enough, we disagree, that's cool. Good luck to you.

[233c]

I'm really not, but thanks for the civil reply.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Actually, saying that most criticism of Israel boils down to anti-Semitism is pretty reductionist. Even if those criticisms are wrong, many/most of them come from legitimately disagreeing with Israel's policies. Sure, there is anti-Semitism and Anti-Semitic arguments mixed in, but that doesn't make up most of the discussion.

[233c]

Allow me to temper that statement, then: Most WESTERN criticism of Israel stemps from anti-Semite arguments made by opposing regional bodies, heavily scrubbed down by the media for Western consumption, and parroted endlessly until enough impressionable Americans believe it.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I really don't know why you're hammering so hard on the America lever here, since America is relatively pro-Israel.

[233c]

America's government is. But Americans != US Gov't.

[(Anonymous)]

Most Americans aren't pro-Arab either

[233c]

I think that's kind of a separate issue, though. Unfortunately I think the majority American viewpoint of Israel and the Arab world is "so far away, who cares, when's the next Lil' Wayne?"

[(Anonymous)]

So, Americans criticize Israel and it's antisemitism, but if they're anti-Arab it's just them being apathetic?

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU.

[(Anonymous)]

You are a typical blinded and brainwashed American on this issue.

[233c]

So is the OP. <3

[(Anonymous)]

XDDDDDDD

[(Anonymous)]

Then educate them, oh wise anonymous person on the internet who it totally above all this.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, for fuck's sake. Then you're an enlightened wise non-American, obviously.

[arcadiaego]

It would take about two seconds to find out that military service is compulsory in Israel. If the OP really cared about the issue, they would know this, so they obviously don't. Which makes it hard to see the secret as anything else than anti-Semitic.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe they just don't agree that compulsory military service can be used as a justification.

[arcadiaego]

That is a possibility but I fear not the most likely one.

[(Anonymous)]

Disagreeing with systematic oppression and displacement makes you anti-Semitic? Okay.