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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-09 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #2564 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-01-10 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT. Not every act of "Israeli brutality" can be dismissed as a "PR coup for Hamas." Anti-Israel propaganda (or valid criticism) is not the same as anti-semitism. Any group of soldiers, be they Israeli or any other nationality, should be criticized for tying a kid of any nationality to the hood of their jeep for throwing rocks at them. Saying that particular group of soldiers done fucked up is not anti-anything propaganda, unless it's anti-asshole. Now if someone's claiming it's official or under-the-table policy for those soldiers' superiors to encourage such behavior, that might be propaganda, unless it's true. If it is true, guess what? That's still not propaganda. That's saying their chain of command is full of assholes, which shouldn't surprise anyone. No military chain of command or run of the mill soldiers anywhere are guaranteed not to be assholes, because all military organizations are made up of people, some proportion of which will be dickheads drunk on power.

TLDR--criticizing the actions of some soldiers in the Israeli military≠ criticizing the Israeli military as a whole≠criticizing the state of Israel≠anti-semitism.
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[personal profile] 233c 2014-01-10 02:09 am (UTC)(link)
I think you misread me. My point was that every time the Israeli military screws up, Hamas wins. You're right in that it's not technically propaganda, but I wasn't really intending that connection.

My point was that the stuff that comes out of Hamas or whoever often has little bearing on what Israel does in the first place. If Israel handled everything perfectly, no casualties, no tying kids to jeeps, none of that shit, the "Jews eat babies" crowd would still be cranking out the banners and the websites and the videos for children of muppets declaring Israel should be destroyed.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-10 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
But they don't do everything perfectly. And that's why there's a whole line of criticism that's not related, or only tangentially related, to the anti-Semitic branch. And it's wrong to accuse people making the one kind of criticism of being anti-Semites. Which is what you did.