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Comments

[233c]

That's... not what I'm doing? Israeli brutality and anti-Israel propaganda have little relation to one another.

When I hear about Israeli soldiers tying a Palestinian kid to the hood of their jeep because he and his friends wouldn't stop throwing rocks at them, that just strikes me as a PR coup for Hamas, especially if you don't mention the rocks part. But anti-Israel propaganda includes accusations of genocide and other such nonsense and goes back to the 1940s before there even was an Israel.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you have said that the situation is not black and white I think you can agree that criticizing actions of the Israeli military/government can be legitimate.
I think you are arguing against people because you incorrectly think that these people think that Israel is all evil while the Arab states are completely innocent or something. But no one has said that...

[233c]

Hard not to think that when people are throwing words like "genocide" around, though, don't you agree?

Kind of wishing I'd never bothered to log in.

[(Anonymous)]

But not everyone in these threads is doing that.

[233c]

True. It's just the overall tone of some of the replies I've gotten, on top of that.

[(Anonymous)]

I made my reply before people were bringing up genocide

[(Anonymous)]

That tone is probably coming from you opening with the "Criticism of Israel is antisemitic" card.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT. Not every act of "Israeli brutality" can be dismissed as a "PR coup for Hamas." Anti-Israel propaganda (or valid criticism) is not the same as anti-semitism. Any group of soldiers, be they Israeli or any other nationality, should be criticized for tying a kid of any nationality to the hood of their jeep for throwing rocks at them. Saying that particular group of soldiers done fucked up is not anti-anything propaganda, unless it's anti-asshole. Now if someone's claiming it's official or under-the-table policy for those soldiers' superiors to encourage such behavior, that might be propaganda, unless it's true. If it is true, guess what? That's still not propaganda. That's saying their chain of command is full of assholes, which shouldn't surprise anyone. No military chain of command or run of the mill soldiers anywhere are guaranteed not to be assholes, because all military organizations are made up of people, some proportion of which will be dickheads drunk on power.

TLDR--criticizing the actions of some soldiers in the Israeli military≠ criticizing the Israeli military as a whole≠criticizing the state of Israel≠anti-semitism.

[233c]

I think you misread me. My point was that every time the Israeli military screws up, Hamas wins. You're right in that it's not technically propaganda, but I wasn't really intending that connection.

My point was that the stuff that comes out of Hamas or whoever often has little bearing on what Israel does in the first place. If Israel handled everything perfectly, no casualties, no tying kids to jeeps, none of that shit, the "Jews eat babies" crowd would still be cranking out the banners and the websites and the videos for children of muppets declaring Israel should be destroyed.

[(Anonymous)]

But they don't do everything perfectly. And that's why there's a whole line of criticism that's not related, or only tangentially related, to the anti-Semitic branch. And it's wrong to accuse people making the one kind of criticism of being anti-Semites. Which is what you did.

[(Anonymous)]

But anti-Israel propaganda includes accusations of genocide and other such nonsense and goes back to the 1940s before there even was an Israel.

...you referring to the Neturei Karta(sp?) book? Those are Orthodox Jews (OK, they say they are, whether they are or not, I can't say) who also happen to be anti-Zionist. Which complicates the discussion even further, but you can't say they're anti-Semitic...can you?

[233c]

I actually wasn't, but good catch.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

...I read a lot. It's actually a fascinating (though ultimately depressing) book.