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⌈ Secret Post #2565 ⌋

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This is not about the episode, it's about Watson's no homo.

Gatis is one of the two creators of the show, and he's very good friends with the other one. Plus they are both adults, so if Gatiss had any problem with Moffat's portrayal of John, I'm sure they would take about it like mature people and reach a favorable conclusion for both of them.

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This does puzzle me. I don't care one bit about shipping or queerbaiting, what with this being a show I haven't watched in years. But Mistaken For Gay jokes are so dumb and tired even I want them to go away already, let alone the queer people in my life. Why's this writer so okay with it?

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Because the BBC would totally say "we don't want to commission this show unless it has gay jokes in it!"?

...yeah, and Watson's "no homo" reactions in this episode were written by the aforementioned openly gay man. Characters don't act on their own, they have to have people writing their actions. Clearly Gatiss doesn't have an issue with the "I'm not gay" jokes since he wrote it into one of his episodes.

Of course one gay man's feelings don't reflect that of an entire group, but since most people crying foul over this are straight people then I find it hard to agree that this stuff is homophobic and as terribly offensive to gay men as they try to make it sound.

Yes, every article criticizing the show on LGBT blogs have all been written by straight people.

Wait, there are actually LGBT people in the world? You don't say?

Most =/= every.

This is the secret of life, the universe and everything...

You do realize that the majority of the slash fans on tumblr are straight women, right? That's actually a large part of slash fandom, straight heterosexual women feigning outrage over gay representation so they can have tehhawtbuttsecks*drool*

http://centrumlumina.tumblr.com/post/63112902720/heterosexual-female-slash-fans

87% were readers, compared to 90% overall,

You do realize that the majority of the slash fans on tumblr are straight women, right?

this is an idea that needs to die

Most of the slash fans I know are either or a combo of: bi, trans (both MtF and FtM), genderqueer, asexual, or gay.

Exactly.

I am sick of everyone with a legit complaint about something fandom-related being told 'STFU straight fangirl' without any consideration that the person may not be straight? Queer people are allowed to ship too ya know.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-01-11 10:54 (UTC) - Expand

The thing I don't understand is...well, there's always been a modern 'oh er missues wink wink' view on the relationship between Holmes & Watson and it would have been odder to me if they hadn't acknowledged this and at the same time kept it true the canon in that Holmes & Watson weren't a gay couple.

It makes me a little sad that we now view close male friendship as something gay.

It makes me a little sad that we now view close male friendship as something gay.

This. But I think we've become so Freudian, we assume that all close relationships are basically sexual.

[We assume, for example, that all adults are potential paedophiles. My own experience, as a childless woman who has never wanted children, is that there is still some hard wiring in me that makes me respond maternally (not sexually) in certain situations...]

Once, maybe, even twice. But they keep on doing it and it has become childish.

"but since most people crying foul over this are straight people then I find it hard to agree that this stuff is homophobic and as terribly offensive to gay men as they try to make it sound."

Well here's one non straight person who also thinks it's bullshit. I agree that it's hardly the worst sort of homophobia they could be perpetuating, but it's still fucking irritating.

People are so quick to yell 'oh shut up you're just butthurt about your ship,' when it's more than that - though unfortunately a lot of people do only care about the shipping.

The real problem with it is that people who think being gay is something to be laughed at are having their views validated by all those jokes. The casual viewer has no idea what goes on on the internet, doesn't know about 'shipping' or 'meta jokes' or that people have theorised and debated about Holmes/Watson for decades. They just watch the show and laugh at how awful it is for these poor straight guys to keep getting called gay. Laugh at the idea that the heroic male leads could be anything but straight. It's not the worst sort of homophobia out there. But it's not funny either.

good try but most people i've seen criticizing it has been queer.

Well if people keep insisting a straight man is gay....it is an understandable, not the best reaction, but an understandable reaction to say "I'm not gay"

Or they could just... not have people insist he is gay? It's a situation engineered by the writers to facilitate a (cheap) joke. It's not like the character is real.

Eh maybe. Occasional jokes like the whole "if you'll need two bedrooms" wasn't too bad because that'd be applied to opposite genders too.

I will admit the whole "you're gay, John aren't you," "no I'm not" does tire easily but perhaps it went down well the first time and became, rightly or wrongly, a recurring joke

IIRC it's only Mrs. Hudson making the assumptions, though. To me it gave off more of the "silly old lady stuck in her opinions" feel than a "haha let's make everyone assume they're gay all the time lulz" thing that other shows (*cough*spn*cough*) have going on. If multiple characters were doing it, that would be one thing, but when it's just the one character restating it, it makes sense that John would get fed up.

That said, yes, it was obviously written in as a cheap joke. But I think people are blowing it way out of proportion, since I'm pretty sure the only other time it was mentioned in canon was the very first episode of the series. (Though I could be wrong, I don't pay that much attention)

It happened three times in the first episode:
Mrs Hudson - "will you be needing two bedrooms?"
Angelo - "on the house for you and your date/i'll get a candle it's more romantic"
and Mycroft - "might we be expecting a happy announcement by the end of the week? (though that one's more forgivable because he was obviously just trying to piss John off.)

Then Sally in The Great Game: "You're still with him? Well opposites attract I suppose"

Irene made at least a couple of comments. The one in the warehouse and 'someone loves you I'd avoid your nose and teeth too" and possibly more, I can't remember.

Then the inkeepers in Hounds - "is yours a snorer?"

Louise Mortimer, after whateverhisnamewas called John Sherlock's 'live-in PA' said something like "why don't you buy him a drink? I think he likes you?"

Jeanette - "You're a great boyfriend; Sherlock Holmes is a very lucky man"

Kitty/the tabloids in TRF - 'Bachelor John Watson' and "You and John Watson, just platonic? I'll put down a 'no'"

And now Mrs Hudson again in The Empty Hearse. Even though she's known them for two years and has met at least one of John's girlfriends.

And then there are the jokes they make themselves: "people might talk" at the pool and "now people will definitely talk" when they were handcuffed.

In The Blind Banker - "I have a date, when two people go out and have fun"
"That's what I was suggesting"
"I hope not"

Then in Sign of Three Sherlock mentions that helped John learn how to dance for his wedding and John says Mrs Hudson saw them and that's probably how those rumours got started or something.

So yeah, there's a lot more than one or two.

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