[ SECRET POST #2576 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2576 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/jUtb0Fk.png

[(Anonymous)]

The hairpiece makes a diff.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, the curly, dark one was very unflattering. And they really changed Kirk's character for the worse.

[intrigueing]

For a minute, I read this as "the curly dark one changed Kirk's character for the worse."

ONE TOUPEE TO RULE THEM ALL, ONE TOUPEE TO FIND THEM...

[akacat]

We basically got Kirk going through Shatner's mid-life crisis. It's not a pretty thing.

[intrigueing]

Well...pretty much yeah. But there is a good bit of a gap in both time and life experiences in between, so it felt like a somewhat natural change for me. Wrath of Khan was still amazing, and in The Voyage Home he was very TOS-Kirk-ish at times :)

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there's a lot of time between the end of the first five-year mission and the beginning of the first movie. Kirk's been promoted to Admiral, he's lost command of his ship and is now riding a desk. The first two movies are all about his coming to terms with that, plus he deals with a lot of mortality issues in Khan (Spock, obviously, but also finding out he has a son). I didn't think he'd changed personality at all, I felt he was evolving.

[lynx]

I acknowledge the differences, but since Kirk's a story that spans several decades, I don't really mind. The character grew old along with Shatner, and his development is believable to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Given that, for a lot of us, Kirk's story spans our own several decades....yeah. It's no big deal. People get old OP. You'd best suck it up before it happens to you. :-P

[lynx]

Although I watched TOS when I was a small kid, I officially entered Star Trek fandom on 2009, and went through the series, the animated series, and the movies on the span of a couple months. And I still liked the development. I even think the older iterations of the crew are really cute, and it's nice to see how everyone remained important to each other into old age.

(Generations can go screw itself, lalalala)

[forgottenjester]

I still like some of the movies* and understand that he's older now and so has had a lot of growth we haven't seen but I do like series Kirk much better.

*Fuck V.

[(Anonymous)]

Only redeeming part of ST:V is the power trio singing Row Row Row Your Boat around a campfire. Rest of the movie? Doesn't exist.

[forgottenjester]

I wish they had picked a better song but I kinda agree.

[lunabee34]

Awwwww. I have such nostalgia for Star Trek V. We brought a cooler of snacks to the theater and sat through two showings.

WHAT DOES GOD NEED WITH A STAR SHIP?

[(Anonymous)]

Give that V was basically Shatner stroking his own oversized ego...

[(Anonymous)]

But I don't think he grew. He had a bunch more character flaws in the movies. I didn't like WoK where they made him such an arrogant bastard. He's lost before. He lost his brother Sam and his true love Edith Keeler and his other true love and wife Miramanee who was pregnant with his child. It made me think the writer of Khan wasn't familiar with the show.

[intrigueing]

Not all growth is positive though. I personally think it's believable that the combination of such an illustrious captaincy and the tedium and frustration of his tenure as Admiral could produce those kind of retroactive rose-tinted glasses. I kind of interpreted it as not so much Kirk sincerely believe he never lost, but rather, Kirk pretending to himself to have been someone who never lost, to make his nostalgia for his old captaining days shine all the brighter in his memory.

[(Anonymous)]

He wasn't familiar.

[(Anonymous)]

Trek is just fundamentally better at TV than movies, so all the movies are going to be weird and different.

I mean, like, look at the TNG movies - suddenly Picard's an action hero!

[(Anonymous)]

Picard had plenty of small action hero moments in the series though -- he just never had an opportunity to use them as extensively as he did in the movies.

(Narratively speaking, though -- yeah, I agree with this.)

Let Me Tell You About a Time-Honoured Trek Tradition, Children

[(Anonymous)]

Even-numbered movies are gold.

Odd-numbered movies are pyrite.

Got that?

Good.

(No idea if the reboot follows the same curse formula or not.)

[cassandraoftroy]

Are you not remembering the episode where Picard was John McClane with a saddle?

[(Anonymous)]

Aww man, there was this tie-in novel...I don't remember if it was objectively good but I loved it...that involved movie-timeline Piucard starting to deal with losing his Enterprise, and there was this holodeck 'training tool' that Kirk had supposedly collaborated on (which I could actually buy) using his ship's logs...so it was Picard observing some instances from TOS and talkign with holo-Kirk about why he'd done so and so. And Picard was like "bro why are u always on the landing party? that's against regs, the captain is important and so must be protected" and kirk was like "bitch, why the hell is the captain more important than the crew? I'm not action-ing as an ego trip, it's my duty to the crew" and picards all hmm interesting

and at the end of the book he was like U KNOW, FUCK IT, this is me cowboy-ing! ...hey this is actually kind of fun. and effective.

...I apologize for this post. But I have a lot of feelings about movie!picard and that book is part of it. carry on.

[(Anonymous)]

He became Shatner.