[ SECRET POST #2577 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2577 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Theresa Lopez-Fitzgerald-Crane, from the soap opera Passions]


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03.
[BBC Sherlock]


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04.
[Nobunaga the Fool]


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05.
[Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia from Star Wars]


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06.
[The Quick and the Dead]


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[Nathan Fillion]


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08.
[Warehouse 13]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

People have made a lot of posts in this thread saying that it's all right to have pride in people from your past, that there's lots of people throughout history who have done horrible things, and that's true, and I agree with it to an extent.

However, I think there's a crucial difference between this case and something like the Vikings or the rise of Prussia. The thing is that the Confederacy isn't really a dead issue the way Prussia is or Viking raids are. There are still people defending the Confederacy. The legacy of the Confederacy is much more of an open question, and defending and honoring a Confederate or being ashamed of him is a political stance in a way that caring about Vikings isn't. The Confederacy still means something.

That said, I don't agree with OP either, because (as people have said) there's no real indication that Fillion was really speaking positively about Jubal Early or doing anything more than noting a coincidence.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 yes exactly this. in some places the Confederate thing is still alive and well. i don't see anyone flying viking flags or claiming they were being vilified for a noble cause or using vikings as an excuse to be racist and say horrible things to people.

[skippydelicious]

We also have to figure into this that his character in Firefly was essentially a Confederate Officer IN SPACE!. That adds a layer of creepy to his "interest", he may not have intended it but intent is not magic and when someone who plays a thinly veiled version of the noble confederate officer of myth (albeit cloaked in sci-fi) in a setting that kinda whitewashes the reason for the war starts talking about how he finds it interesting that one of his ancestors was a moderately famous racist-even-for-the-era, then people will start to draw their own conclusions.

[(Anonymous)]

I do get your point about the Confederacy pride being far more hot-button and harmful and closer to this century's issues, but gotta correct you there: yeah, in Europe your local far-right thugs and wannabe-elite will be decking the halls with celtic crosses and there's an easy mishmash made between the Aryan ideal and the popular image of the Viking warrior. Shops that sell medieval knicknacks and Mjolnir pendants tend to be your local white supremacist hangout.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

My understanding is that they named the character after Fillion's supposed ancestor, so it wasn't a coincidence -- http://www.fireflywiki.net/Firefly/JubalEarly, "Nathan mentioned the name and the general's story to Joss Whedon in the course of filming, and Joss used the name for this character."

Still OP

[(Anonymous)]

...Maybe I should actually be concluding that Joss Whedon is a dick who splashes people's semi-embarrassing family stories across the screen for all to see? I don't know.

But yeah, being proud of a Confederate ancestor strikes me as politically loaded, because a lot of the people proud of them don't actually think they did anything wrong.

[blackmare]

I'm a descendent of Captain F.A. Hendry of Florida, who fought on the wrong side of that war and got Hendry County named in his honor.

I'd only be ashamed if I tried to be seen as somehow better or more righteous, by pretending that nope, no slave-holders in my family tree, no sir!

So, in the absence of any indication that Fillion actually is a racist jerk, I'd say good for him for admitting to the skeletons in the family closet.

[(Anonymous)]

It might be reasonably considered a political stance if he were American, since there are still people down there bleating about the South rising again, and if he were actually speaking of his ancestry with pride. Since he's from Alberta, Canada, and neo-Confederates don't really exist up here*, it is really incredibly unlikely that the statement came from any place of political alignment.

*We do have some horrible racists, but the ones who are political rather than just general shitheads are political about Canadian issues, not U.S. ones.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that the Confederacy isn't really a dead issue the way Prussia is or Viking raids are.

Let me tell you something, Prussia is not a dead issue. It might be to the US, but in certain parts of Europe it's still very much alive and kicking.