[ SECRET POST #2580 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2580 ⌋

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Comments

[applemagpie]

I honestly don't get the whole fanatical devotion to Disney either. Some of their movies are cute, but that's relatively about it I feel about about Disney as a whole. And I watched quite a few Disney movies growing up, so it's not like I 'missed out'. And I like animation and kid's stuff too.

Like just try bringing up the fact that Disney movies rely on rigid gender roles and racist tropes in a discussion, and you will have a whole hoard of people on your back, screaming at you that Disney movies are feminist. FEMINIST.
No one ever said Disney was sexist and racist, but GOD, they're not perfect either.

Just, god. Disney. If someone wants to explain it to me, go ahead.

[applemagpie]

The Emperor's New Groove though. Loved that movie growing up

[sparklywalls]

I was about 14/15 when that came out so I was very much in the "Disney movies SUCK and are for little kids!" posturing stage.

Yeah. I ate my words. That film was amazingly cute and still is one of my favourites to watch when I'm feeling blue and need to laugh for about 90 minutes. I was shocked when I discovered that apparently among Disney fans (not critics)...it wasn't well thought of at the time. I guess for the fans it's not a typical Disney film or something *shrug*

[sarillia]

Honestly, I get more pushback on criticisms of Disney from rabidly anti-SJ people and people who think that kids' media should somehow be exempt from criticism than I have ever gotten from Disney fans. I'm a huge Disney fan and I love analyzing them for both their positives and negatives. I have discussions about the sexist/feminist content of Disney movies with other fans all the time.

I don't doubt that what you're talking about happens (and all the other people here who are talking about fanatics who will hear nothing bad about Disney) but this is just so far from my experience.

[(Anonymous)]

MedievalPOC on tumblr said that she's gotten the most hatemail over merely pointing out that Disney could've had POCs in movies like Brave without being historically inaccurate. Death threats, even.

[(Anonymous)]

"Just, god. Disney. If someone wants to explain it to me, go ahead"

As an adult, what really makes me love Disney isn't just the "cute" or the "nostalgia" but the level of effort they put into the things they make. Yeah, no, they've got their problems with gender roles, but artistically speaking they've almost always been pushing the envelope with how they can tell a story (ignoring that dark period in the lat 90's with all the crappy sequels). I mean, you can say "some of their movies are cute" but honestly...most of their animated movies are masterworks of skill and dedication. For the majority of their existence (again, ignoring that terrible, dark time), they've never really bought into the usual thought of "it's for kids; we can phone it in." No, they're going to accurately draw the architecture of Notre Dame. They're going to spend months studying lions and meerkats and hyenas just so they can make their animated animals move right. They are going to slow-motion-film the rain until they understand the science of exactly HOW a raindrop falls and splashes, and then they are going to accurately animate that in a three-minute sequence.

And then the Parks.

Yeah, there's plenty to be cynical about with the Parks. People trap, big business, etc. But still. The difference between Disney World and, say, Six Flags is just astounding. It's not enough for them to throw some happy plastic-and-metal characters or some goofy signs up. They create an atmosphere in such exact detail. Just being in the park, you can tell the how much the folks putting it together want it to be special. They don't just want you to go from a roller coaster to a boatride. They want you to have an experience, and they really do go out of their way to make that experience special, in big and little ways. Nevermind the whole "touch-up painting every night" thing.

There are so many companies and parks and what-not that just figure, well, it's entertainment, people won't really care if we fudge this or do a half-hearted version of that. But Disney really does put the effort into making it because Walt Disney, for all of his many faults, was a perfectionist, and genuinely wanted everything to be as good as it possibly could be.

[blunderbuss]

I love anon, marry me. Because you are totally right - their movies are masterpieces of putting 110% into creating living and breathing worlds for their stories to take place in. I'm learning animation now and every single animator today owes their craft to the sheer amount of research and experimentation that Disney's done. Their work isn't always perfect but they're kings of animation for a reason.