[ SECRET POST #2583 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2583 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

I'm seeing a lot of vehemence against feminists in this thread, and it's kind of surprising. I mean, one of the crazy everything-is-sexist posters used to post on the same forum as me, but she was never as big a problem as the sexist poster or the racist poster, and I wound up on her side half the time. Have other folks had much more negative experiences with the type?

(I'm here assuming that folks are talking about feminist posters who pick arguments with sexist posters, not just feminist posters who take apart sexism in canon and write more female-friendly fanon. If you're responding that negatively to the latter, you're a jerk.)

[sarillia]

I'm not surprised because I've seen this a lot in this comm but I am sad that people react this way to someone saying they're a feminist, both when the reaction is fair and when it's not fair.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, me too :(

[(Anonymous)]

In my fandom (on tumblr at least) the vast majority of the fans happily support the female characters and cast because they are typically amazing. However, we DO discuss instances of crappy writing (one woman is fridged; two others are pit against each other to fight over a man for no reason other than ~drama~). Along comes a holier-than-thou fan who digs through people's archives to find anything at all that might be negative about any of the female characters, and then she makes broad, unfounded statements in posts: "So-and-so is misogynist!! I'm so grossed out by her! I used to love her but now I'm disappointed!!" and when people ask her why she says "I can't say why because I don't want to get dogpiled!!" UGH.

It's not that she's a feminist that bothers me, because I consider myself one too. It's that she's using the mask of feminism to stir shit where shit doesn't need to be stirred.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I've encountered way too many people in my own fandom who seem to think that you're misogynist if you think of the main female character as anything other than a perfect flawless queen despite the major issues with the way she's written (her character development comes to a standstill in favor of making her into the Token Love Interest - the worst part is that she'd had a lot of great character development in the beginning and if the writers had just kept on going with that, she would've been awesome).

The real kicker is that the majority of the people I've talked to don't have any dislike for her as a character, they're just unhappy with how she was treated by the writing. The other female characters get tons of love.

[(Anonymous)]

This. We've got one of those in my fandom too, and all of her (previously good) fic is now heavy-handed ~issue!fic. She also likes to post about how other segments of the fandom hate her and pick on her in private but refuses to produce any evidence of this.

[(Anonymous)]

I am a feminist myself, but the OP sounds shady. If she feels like she has to be the standard bearer of feminism in her fandom, then I'm assuming she's the type who's constantly embroiled in wank.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

OP sounds kind of preachy just from their comments in this thread, TBH. If everything you do in a fandom is all about talking about how awesome the female characters are, it starts to come across less as genuine appreciation and more as putting female characters on a pedestal to earn brownie points. I've seen exactly that sort of thing in action multiple times before in multiple different fandoms.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I love this, assumptions galore. I'm obviously a preachy no-fun wankstarter because I discuss women sometimes (not all the time, not exclusively) and contribute something other than name-calling or hatred about female characters.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, as the OP, I'm sitting back being a bit stunned, actually.

My feminist analysis is not really harshing anybody's buzz, unless you're a huge misogynist. I got the label because I've been about talking about the women in the canon a lot, sticking up for them, analysing their storylines, speculating about their storylines, desperately hoping their storylines get better or get more time on the show. I also speak against some people's hatred of young female fans for being fangirls or for "not being true fans", ridiculous shit like that. I'm about celebrating good stuff as much as critiquing the bad stuff, but this thread makes it sound like no feminists ever love anything, which just isn't true, like what the fuck.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Sadly, it's quite simple. They think telling us we have no sense of humour, are "harshing their squee" and basically should just sit down and shut up , then make the tea, will work, then nothing ever has to change in a way that makes them the least bit uncomfortable.

News, boys: it won't.