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One thing to be said for Meyer's writing: they got less stunted over the course of the series. Granted, Bella backslid HARD in book two, but by the end of book three, it seemed like they were capable of something approximating an equal relationship.

(We shall not discuss book four, because seriously, what was up with book four?)

Book Four was like... the Stephanie Meyer equivalent of Revelations.

Somebody had a bad trip.

I never understood why Edward didn't go to college. He's apparently a genius, wouldn't high school get really boring? At least he'd have more options.

I think he has gone to college several times. From what I understand, they go to high school for a few years then move on to college and then cycle back to high school when they've stayed in one place for too long. Don't ask me why this seemed like their best option though.

It's so stupid. I still look like a teenager though I'm in my twenties, and my solution to people being surprised by that isn't to pretend to go to high school forever.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-02-03 06:15 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2014-02-19 17:15 (UTC) - Expand

Nah, they both seemed like pretty selfish people to me. Edward was an overly controlling douchebag, and Bella didn't give a shit about her high school friends even though they cared about her.

Except for the fact that almost all of them weren't really her friends, just people she went to school with that were reasonably nice to her. She came to Forks as a loner and intended to stay that way, she just ended up bonding with the Cullens. Meanwhile the kids at school were being simply normal decent people. But just because people want to be your friend doesn't make you their friend. And frankly none of her so-called friends really came through for her went she was in her darkest period, not even the angelic Angela. They kept trying to get her to participate in group activities that she was in no condition to face, then gave up on her.

As far as I see it, Bella never owed her HS "friends" anything.

Yeah, but look how Miss Perfect Swan treated them. She treated them as no better than dog shit on her shoe. Because she was Above them.

I'm sorry, but no, she's a selfish little thing who needs to grow the fuck up.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-02-03 14:25 (UTC) - Expand

Edward can't grow up physically, yeah. But what's stopping him from maturing emotionally and intellectually? If you've had several lifetimes to accumulate learning and life experience, you should be smarter, not dumber.

A lot of growing out of teenage dumbness is about learning and thinking, to be sure, but it's also a matter of physical changes in the brain that would still be only partially complete at the age he was when he died. Edward is still mentally a teenager, just a really really old one.

That's going to be a factor, but that's not really a good explanation for why he's still mentally 17. It's not realistic to imply a 100+ years makes no difference at all in one's maturity because BRAIN CHEMICALS. There are teenagers who manage to behave and think more maturely than either Bella or Edward. There are adults who are even more immature than those two.

He's too busy self-flagellating over whether or not he has a soul anymore and invading people's mental privacy for anything so mundane as maturity.

I dunno, lack of the brain growth that usually comes in early to late 20s? Retaining knowledge isn't an infinite thing, either, so eventually he'd have to forget things to learn more. Being an immortal teenager would royally suck.

Retaining knowledge isn't an infinite thing, either, so eventually he'd have to forget things to learn more."

What? Yeah, retaining knowledge isn't permanent, but you can't delete stuff off your brain and suddenly have more downloading capacity. It's a brain, not a hard drive.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-02-03 16:10 (UTC) - Expand

Exactly. I understand why, for example, the Beast from Beauty and the Beast is an immature little asshole at the start; because he was a spoilt kid turned into a monster that prevented any kind of human contact.

Edward though? He's lived through the most active and world-changing century in history. He could have been a vampiric Forrest Gump, seeing all these amazing events and changing as a person because of it.

Even if he's stuck as a teen, he'd sure as hell should be a mature and wise teen.

I'm kinda with you, OP.

Edited 2014-02-03 00:45 (UTC)

Related, everyone harps on Bella getting all emo when Edward leaves. Granted, ideally, you mope a bit then move on with your life. But she always read to me as being fairly depressed before she moved to Forks, then she met Edward, who made her happier, then he left. When you're depressed, losing someone's presence in you life can be devastating. I thought the ten blank pages thing was actually really well done.

Granted again, neither of them are very mature people, but I don't think they were any worse than any other two random teenagers. I mean, it's Edward's first ever romantic relationship. He's allowed to screw up, as long as he gets better. And, like I said above, Bella seems to have a tendency toward being depressed.

If it was meant to be depression, it's an insult to this girl WITH depression. It reads like the stereotyped to hell and inaccurate portrayal of it.

I don't mean to be argumentative or dismissive, but I have to disagree. I'm not certain if it was meant to be depression, but the story reminds me of my own experience with it. I mean, Meyer's certainly not the greatest at handling subjects with grace, but she got it pretty close to how I deal with my down swings, or at least how I handled them when I was a teenager.

Your depression is not everyone's. Because to *this* girl with depression, it felt horrifically real.

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siofrabunnies - 2014-02-04 00:16 (UTC) - Expand

Bella's immaturity would be far less annoying if she were being set up as a teenage everygirl who has a lot of growing up to do, but Meyer keeps harping on about how she's supposedly so very different and special, not like those other shallow, immature girls, and how she's the responsible one, the adult, in her relationship with her mom. To me, that was what made her immaturity irritating: what we were told was so at odds with what we were shown.

Case in point: she's so busy feeling sorry for herself, all through her first two (or is it three?) days in Forks, that she doesn't even think to call Renee or shoot her an email to say that she arrived safely. When she finally checks her email and finds twenty or so frantic messages from Renee, the reply she fires off is really snotty--and she doesn't even apologize. Hardly the behavior of the "adult" in the relationship, if you ask me--and that's when I knew I was going to hate Bella.

That's a really good point. I suppose it's been quite a while since I read the books. I do remember being irritated at all the "tell, don't show" Meyer does.

They might be immature, but they've also taken the gender role pills that makes him a stalking creep and her a delicate wallflower.

Go back to tumblr with your "gender roles are the devil" bullshit, sjw.

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