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I think there's a huge difference between saying you like your laws better regarding X specific point, here gun control, and saying so glad I don't live in your crappy hellhole of a country. The first strikes me as a conversational gambit regarding how a country is organized/run. The second is just rude and insensitive (but possibly sensible).

But then, I don't mind discussing How Things Work. Gun violence in the U.S. is a tangled thing that wouldn't necessarily be solved by stricter gun control laws, given how that's worked out in some of our larger cities. And in our smallest towns that are ages away from anything... including help.

I've been reading comparative gun control articles lately and it's definitely interesting to see that in some countries a lack of guns hasn't slowed anyone down. They've just switched to older, more common weapons - like knives/cleavers/etc. In another country, there was literally one gun for every three people but gun violence was practically nonexistent.

The articles were frustrating though because the authors sucked at the very basic skills of semi-objective observation, critical analysis, and comparing/contrasting. They were dudes talking about their holidays. I wish I knew what grants they had so I could try to steal them.

Gun violence has a mix of reasons among those: why people own guns, their attitude to gun safety, the availability to guns and off course how violent the country is in itself.

The thing I learnt about why there is less gun related crimes in some countries with high levels of gun ownership is pretty much based in the fact that most people in those countries buy guns for hunting or recreational activities, not for safety. It might not be the only reason, but I feel it is a pretty deciding factor. Also who gets to buy guns is one.

Also even if there is still violence in countries with fewer guns, it takes longer to kill people with a knife than with a gun so you get more injuries and less deaths. Then again you can kill quite a few people with a knife too, it just depends on the situation.

~~sorry, didn't mean to start an discussion, but gun control and so on is one of the things I find interesting.~~

why people own guns, their attitude to gun safety, the availability to guns and off course how violent the country is in itself.
I think the third one is changing because so many people can buy guns over the internet. (Although I'm not sure how that's affected by the U.S.'s extensive monitoring activities.)

is pretty much based in the fact that most people in those countries buy guns for hunting or recreational activities, not for safety.
It's a pretty huge generalization to say that all or even most Americans buy their guns for safety. In certain areas, that might be true. But I can think of huge swathes of the U.S. where guns are bought for hunting/recreation.

it takes longer to kill people with a knife than with a gun
I don't think so. Like you say, it depends on the overall situation but all it takes is one well-placed (or luckily placed) slash to kill someone. At the end of the day, spree in a crowd is still a spree in a crowd.

Yeah, but that lucky slash will only kill one person. The right gun could kill a dozen people in the same amount of time. So it does take longer to kill people with a knife than with a gun, since you have to get within stabbing distance of each person and then land that lucky stab each time, rather than mowing down an entire roomful of people in a few seconds.

You're making very different assumptions than I did. I stand by my statements - the knife-wielder is potentially as dangerous as the gun-toter.

...What assumptions? That a would-be murderer armed with a knife has to get within arm's reach of his victim(s), and can only kill people at the rate at which he can reach and stab them, and that if he were armed with a gun, he instead has the potential to kill as many people as he has bullets in a matter of seconds without taking a single step?

What assumptions were you making, then?

You don't get very many water-tower knifethrowers.

But I'm sure that the ones you get are quite memorable.

Touche.

The thing I learnt about why there is less gun related crimes in some countries with high levels of gun ownership is pretty much based in the fact that most people in those countries buy guns for hunting or recreational activities, not for safety.

This makes sense to me because the reason a person buys a gun will determine the kind of gun they buy. The sort of gun purchased for hunting or target-shooting isn't likely to be the kind that can be adapted for full-auto fire with a single simple (if illegal) modification. A more unwieldy weapon and a slower rate of fire means fewer deaths.

Yes, from my limited understanding, if they introduced gun controls now in the US it would just drive the problem underground and make it worse, because the saturation level is so high. If they'd done it a long time ago, perhaps.

Also, yes, levels of gun ownership do not equate directly to levels of gun crime.

In another country, there was literally one gun for every three people but gun violence was practically nonexistent.

Isn't that Switzerland? They still have conscription and everyone in the people's militia keeps their guns at home. But they all also undergo regular firearms training which is mandatory. Plus, their society is just more regulated than most other countries would tolerate. So it's complicated, on a country by country basis.

In my country (Northern Ireland) gun control is very strict because of our history, and I'm glad of it. The UK generally is strict on guns. In most of the UK, and in the south of Ireland, the police don't generally even carry firearms which a lot of Americans can hardly believe.

The articles were frustrating though because the authors sucked at the very basic skills of semi-objective observation, critical analysis, and comparing/contrasting. They were dudes talking about their holidays. I wish I knew what grants they had so I could try to steal them.

A big problem is that most of the people talking about this subject have vested interests, and are as you say, unprofessional in their approach. Also, the political stakes are so weighted. Would anyone even take notice of proper research?

If guns weren't a major improvement over the numerous much cheaper alternatives, there probably wouldn't be such a big market in guns.

You want to kill your spouse or your boss or a single random victim or yourself or even some celebrity, lack of a gun probably won't slow you down that much. You want to kill two dozen strangers in a shopping mall, lack of a gun is a bit more of a handicap. I'm not saying it's an absolute barrier -- there's always explosives, and in some cases arson. But mass stabbings are generally mostly injuries, not fatalities.

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