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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-02-02 03:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #2588 ]


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Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

[personal profile] making_excuses 2014-02-03 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
Gun violence has a mix of reasons among those: why people own guns, their attitude to gun safety, the availability to guns and off course how violent the country is in itself.

The thing I learnt about why there is less gun related crimes in some countries with high levels of gun ownership is pretty much based in the fact that most people in those countries buy guns for hunting or recreational activities, not for safety. It might not be the only reason, but I feel it is a pretty deciding factor. Also who gets to buy guns is one.

Also even if there is still violence in countries with fewer guns, it takes longer to kill people with a knife than with a gun so you get more injuries and less deaths. Then again you can kill quite a few people with a knife too, it just depends on the situation.


sorry, didn't mean to start an discussion, but gun control and so on is one of the things I find interesting.
crunchysunrises: (clock face)

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

[personal profile] crunchysunrises 2014-02-03 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
why people own guns, their attitude to gun safety, the availability to guns and off course how violent the country is in itself.
I think the third one is changing because so many people can buy guns over the internet. (Although I'm not sure how that's affected by the U.S.'s extensive monitoring activities.)

is pretty much based in the fact that most people in those countries buy guns for hunting or recreational activities, not for safety.
It's a pretty huge generalization to say that all or even most Americans buy their guns for safety. In certain areas, that might be true. But I can think of huge swathes of the U.S. where guns are bought for hunting/recreation.

it takes longer to kill people with a knife than with a gun
I don't think so. Like you say, it depends on the overall situation but all it takes is one well-placed (or luckily placed) slash to kill someone. At the end of the day, spree in a crowd is still a spree in a crowd.

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

(Anonymous) 2014-02-03 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but that lucky slash will only kill one person. The right gun could kill a dozen people in the same amount of time. So it does take longer to kill people with a knife than with a gun, since you have to get within stabbing distance of each person and then land that lucky stab each time, rather than mowing down an entire roomful of people in a few seconds.
crunchysunrises: (clock face)

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

[personal profile] crunchysunrises 2014-02-03 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
You're making very different assumptions than I did. I stand by my statements - the knife-wielder is potentially as dangerous as the gun-toter.

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

(Anonymous) 2014-02-03 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
...What assumptions? That a would-be murderer armed with a knife has to get within arm's reach of his victim(s), and can only kill people at the rate at which he can reach and stab them, and that if he were armed with a gun, he instead has the potential to kill as many people as he has bullets in a matter of seconds without taking a single step?

What assumptions were you making, then?

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

(Anonymous) 2014-02-03 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
You don't get very many water-tower knifethrowers.
crunchysunrises: (clock face)

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

[personal profile] crunchysunrises 2014-02-03 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
But I'm sure that the ones you get are quite memorable.

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

(Anonymous) 2014-02-03 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Touche.

Re: when was the last time you missed the point of something...

(Anonymous) 2014-02-03 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
The thing I learnt about why there is less gun related crimes in some countries with high levels of gun ownership is pretty much based in the fact that most people in those countries buy guns for hunting or recreational activities, not for safety.

This makes sense to me because the reason a person buys a gun will determine the kind of gun they buy. The sort of gun purchased for hunting or target-shooting isn't likely to be the kind that can be adapted for full-auto fire with a single simple (if illegal) modification. A more unwieldy weapon and a slower rate of fire means fewer deaths.