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IMO, the poor kid was jealous of Dr Watson, to begin with.

And Holmes doesn't fall in love with her until she's almost past marrigiable age by the more of the age they both exist in, anyway.

"And Holmes doesn't fall in love with her until she's almost past marrigiable age..."

I can't see it that way, I'm afraid. I know that this is fiction, and there's no reason to believe that this COULDN'T happen in a fictional universe where people's feelings can change once the magic number comes around, but I keep bumping up against the fact that relationships just don't work that way. If someone had significant authority over their spouse when that spouse was younger, I'm going to assume there was some grooming going on in the younger years.

This takes place the victorian ages, where it was pretty common for the husband to be much older then the wife.

And Mary Russell is 22 when she gets married. People are already calling her a old maid at this point, IIRC.

Women also couldn't vote in Victorian times and marital rape wasn't a crime. Does that make it okay?

Also, you're seriously, seriously exaggerating. Even in Victorian times, a 40 year age gap was considered squicky. Hell, in the actual Holmes stories, a 20 year age gap was considered eyebrow-raising on more than one occasion.

When I was 22, I would have had no problem with marrying a Sean Connery in his 50s, I think.

Just sayin'.

But there's a big difference between Sean Connery and the guy who took care of you since you were 16.

She lived with her aunt until she got married at 22, I believe?

When she wasn't at school, I mean.

Holmes doesn't believe in violence against women for a start./digression.

Look this fantasist obviously digs enormous age gaps and thinks they are romantic for some reason. That's her privilege. The Russell books are still dire.

Fantasies are one thing; once Sean had slapped you around a few times you might have changed your mind.

That aside, very large age gaps (we are not talking 10-15 years here, which was relatively common) were NOT simply accepted and were definitely frowned on in the early 20th century (which is when the Russell books were set) and also in the 19th fyi.

People who think they know Victorian history often don't.

Have you even read the books?

In which book does Sherlock ever slap Mary around?

Woman getting a Uni education were frowned upon, too, but Mary got one anyway.

Why would you automatically think it would be a bad marriage because a woman in her 20s was marrying a man in her 50s, anyway?

AYRT Sigh. Please read my comment properly. Sean Connery is known as a man who thinks violence against women is OK, my comment was directed at your "ooh, Connery's a hot older man, I'd marry him" and only that.

My comment was also remarking wrt to Russell's books that very large age gaps were not as socially acceptable and common around the 1900s as you seem to think, and are using to justify the inclusion of Holmes/Russell. Two separate points.

You can like the King books all you like (and I have no intention of reading them after Beekeeper, that was enough to put me off entirely) and think that Holmes marrying Russell is plausible if you want. The more defensive you get about them, the less likely you are to convince anyone else that they are anything but author-insert wish fulfillment, though.

You seem to think there is actually something wrong with author-insert wish fulfillment, for some reason.

I don't agree with that.

Oh, and I actually liked the Fushigi Yugi series too, fyi.

For the reason that it usually results in a bad story. But if you like it, that's your taste. I still agree entirely with the OP.

I think Watson was ACD's self insert he created so he could go have fantastic adventures with his Gary Stu, Sherlock Holmes.

But then, Holmes got too popular, and all kinds of trouble started.

By the time Mary was 22, Holmes would've been 61, and her mentor/guardian figure for the last seven years.

Eh, if you ask me, the author was jealous of Watson, hence the clumsy attempt at character assassination.

And no, you're mistaken. In the series, it's explicitly stated that out of Holmes' own mouth that he fell for her the very day they met, when he thought she was a teenage boy, because she was wearing men's clothing at the time.

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