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Cyberpunk and (post)

It's even more relevant than fucking ever.

You're killin me smalls.

Cyberpunk like the genre? Can you give me some like...books or art work? The only thing I can think of for cyberpunk is like...the people in Batman Beyond.

William Gibson's novels. Start with Neuromancer. There's also Count Zero & Mona Lisa Overdrive.

As far as films go... Bladerunner has a strong cyberpunk aesthetic, even though there's not a lot of computers involved. The Matrix. Alien has a cyberpunk feeling for me.

Also, Inception could actually be considered cyberpunk. (The whole beach scene with the ruined city, & the music as a way to wake people up, are references to Neuromancer.)

Anyone got anything else?

Well, it is a good thing I like all those movies! I'll have to see if I can get a copy of that book to put on my kindle and read at work.

Yeah the genre.

To summarise it's "a postmodern science fiction genre noted for its focus on "high tech and low life."[1][2] It features advanced science, such as information technology and cybernetics, coupled with a degree of breakdown or radical change in the social order.[3]

Cyberpunk plots often center on a conflict among hackers, artificial intelligences, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth, rather than the far-future settings or galactic vistas found in novels such as Isaac Asimov's Foundation or Frank Herbert's Dune.[4] The settings are usually post-industrial dystopias but tend to be marked by extraordinary cultural ferment and the use of technology in ways never anticipated by its creators ("the street finds its own uses for things").[5] Much of the genre's atmosphere echoes film noir, and written works in the genre often use techniques from detective fiction.[6]

"Classic cyberpunk characters were marginalized, alienated loners who lived on the edge of society in generally dystopic futures where daily life was impacted by rapid technological change, an ubiquitous datasphere of computerized information, and invasive modification of the human body." – Lawrence Person[7]"

And I mean, if we're talking some dystopian horror where super-rich amoral corporations live in glittering towers elevated above the horrendous wasteful squalor they create, inhabited by the disenfranchised poor who nonetheless have portable computers and internet acccess?

Go to fucking Dubai.

If you're looking for works anything by Gibson is worth picking up. Neuromancer for practially defining the genre, and his latest stuff like Pattern Recognition for a modern take. Outside that you've got Ghost in the Shell*, Blade Runner (defining the style more than the ideology), Deus Ex, or Serial Experiments Lain.

*Very much the begining of post cyberpunk, where the focus becomes those enfranchised by society and working within it, rather than outsiders attempting to disrupt the system.

Could list books and anime/managa endlessly, but those are where you really want to start.

All you need to know about cyberpunk: William Gibson; early Neal Stephenson.

No, not really, but they are the biggest names/easiest to find, and Gibson invented the genre.

This. Cyberpunk is hands-down my favourite sci-fi genre.

...Seriously? You want us to go back to the trench coats and leather boots cyberpunk of the 90's? I fail to see how that's relevant these days, although Deus Ex seems to be doing a pretty good job of not letting it die.

A lot of computer technology these days is fast approaching what cyberpunk authors envisioned. There's also a dystopian aspect in the widespread surveillance (see: The NSA), and the power & wealth of global corporations.

Even though we're not running around in black leather trenchcoats, the future is looking a lot more like cyberpunk, and a lot less like The Jetsons.

To crib from my post above

If we're talking some dystopian horror where super-rich amoral corporations live in glittering towers elevated above the horrendous wasteful squalor they create, inhabited by the disenfranchised poor who nonetheless have portable computers and internet acccess?

Go to fucking Dubai.

Or look at Pattern Recognition. Technology is ubiquitous to the point where it doesn't even register. People introduce themselves by their google results, and everything is utterly, utterly depersonalized with the only way that Cayce can find a community or a home in her jet-set lifestyle is to go on a message board.

Remind you of anyone?

We are cyberpunk, we just didn't keep the asthetics.

To be fair, I thought you meant the aesthetics. Because ...otherwise you'd just kind of be writing modern fiction. As you pointed out.

I think it'd be difficult to bring back because it is so relevant - so near future as to be tomorrow, not 20-40 years from now as it was in the 80s and 90s. That removes some of the sci-fi, and a lot of the wonder and terror. You'd have to push it further along, explore some new paradigm.

Almost Human is pretty much literally 80s cyberpunk, but it comes of as campy more than anything else, 1) because "artificial intelligence becomes sapient - robots/cyborgs have feelings just like us!" while one of the oldest and most cherished tropes of the genre has been ridden into the ground so hard it's neither surprising nor particularly interesting for the audience, and 2) it posits the future as a crime-ridden hellhole (with cyborgs and all powerful corporations) when we now know what actually happened is that violent crime rates have plummeted.

Well maybe when CD Projekt releases Cyberpunk 2077 there will be a resurgence in Cyberpunk stuff, or when the people who made Deus Ex: Human Revolution continue down that continuity.

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