[ SECRET POST #2597 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2597 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, after all the character build-up and emotional interaction in the movies, I want the tragic book ending more. Because in the book, it was terribly sad, but oddly distant, while in the movieverse it's gonna rip hearts out. Emotional payoff, oh yes.

Although ... I'd be okay if Fili and Kili survived, maybe. In the book, their deaths were largely to set up the era of peace by removing the direct line of succession and thus forcing the likes of Dain and Bard to work together in their absence and inspired by their sacrifice. Maybe that wouldn't be necessary in the movies.

But Thorin has to die. He really, really does. Everything that happens between him and Bilbo over the Arkenstone is what sets up Bilbo to be the hobbit who resists the Ring for decades afterwards, and Thorin's last words directly salute Bilbo for being able to resist the lure of gold and making the world merrier for it. Thorin's death is what shows Bilbo the price of gold lust, and I honestly believe it's why Bilbo, of all the Ring-bearers, was the one who was capable of simply giving it up on demand, even after decades of its influence. Thorin's death, his struggles and his madness and his dying redemption, were part of what shaped the War of the Ring. Even leaving aside how much I just want the tragic emotional payoff at the end, I also think that Bilbo wouldn't have been the hobbit he was later if it wasn't for Thorin and Thorin's end, and I wouldn't want to lose that.

[lunabee34]

What an insightful comment! Thank you. I'd never thought about the Arkenstone informing Bilbo's ability to leave the Ring behind, but that's a perfect interpretation.

[(Anonymous)]

I really like that line of reasoning about the Arkenstone, anon! Headcanon accepted.

I also think that Thorin has to die for dramatic story-arc reasons, if nothing else.

And do you guys remember the (non-canonical) scene in the first movie where unconscious Thorin gets picked up and carried away by the eagle (the part that would have been "fifteen birds in five fir-trees" in the books)? I am 100% positive that's foreshadowing.

[nachtmusik]

Well it's not like these movies care much about what in The Hobbit shaped the Lord of the Rings story since now Gandalf knows Sauron is back like 50 years too soon for his actions to make any sense, but this is still good thinking.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what bugged me, too. Unless he (and all who know it, too) conveniently forget about it, some of his actions in the LotR movies are realy hard to explain. The only in-movie explanation I could think of would be that they think they successfully kept Sauron from reawakening to his full power at the end of the third Hobbit movie and think they're good again for the next few centuries, but that would be pretty stupid. They're probably going to ignore the whole thing.

[nachtmusik]

Honestly it just felt like they decided "nope, a dragon isn't a good enough villain. We need something scarier. Let's just use Sauron again. Nevermind it doesn't even make sense!"