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⌈ Secret Post #2597 ⌋

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If she was black and you told her to get over wishing that every character she read about wasn't white so she could have someone to identify with there would be a different reaction. There is so much shaming of people who are unattractive it's sad.

And there's shaming of people who aren't smart, or who misunderstand something that they've read ("lol lol reading comprehension lol lol"), or who smell weird, or who are untalented, etc etc.

You are equating people who are not good looking to smelly, no-talent dumbasses. Cool beans anon.

Why do you have a problem with smelly, no-talent dumbasses?

It's some people's fault for being smelly, but not all, and it's definitely not a person's fault if s/he's talentless and/or dumb. Why do you think that it's okay to look down on someone for lacking a certain amount of intelligence or for not having any talent?

OH NO YOU DIDN'T just equate one person's insecurity issues with racism. Hmmm, let me guess which race you are.

How you look influences a great deal of your life. Whether you are very short or tall, obese, have a disfigurement or are even just unattractive in general you will be treated different than if you are a mainstream attractive human being. It seems to be a human trait to not value "the other" but it does affect many people. Not such a far reach to say that people who are not attractive feel many of the same feelings in society that someone who has experienced discrimination because of their race or gender. If you can't empathize with this, it could be because you have no experience with being shunned for your looks, denied a job because of your weight, teased for having "cooties" when you were a child and other things that can scar you psychologically. Please be understanding. Please.

Not such a far reach to say that people who are not attractive feel many of the same feelings in society that someone who has experienced discrimination because of their race or gender.

I don't remember a learning about the enslavement of ugly people in history class, so yeah, it is a far reach.

I don't think so. The feelings of ostracism and "otherness" engendered are the same. I'm talking about the current day and the internalized feelings of the person who experiences such discrimination and abuse. Even here, in fandom, where you'd think people would be understanding about how horrible this can be, how a child who experiences bullying in school for their looks can carry the scars inside of them the rest of their life, there appears to be no sympathy, empathy or understanding. Truly sad.

Being bullied in school sucks, but "the feelings of ostracism and 'otherness'" engendered by that are definitely not the same as that engendered by being a slave.

There is no comparison. Absolutely none.

I don't think I'm talking about those who are actually being held as slaves. I realize that yes, those cases are and entirely different ball of wax and the trauma of being a thing to be owned as opposed to an actual human with agency who feels ostracized is quite different.

I do suggest, however, that perhaps you might take an actual psychology course or two instead of parroting the SJW'ers on tumblr.

Perhaps you will understand that, to the individual suffering, the emotional trauma suffered by many. Who obviously, from posts like yours, can expect little from today's society other than derision.

ayrt

Could you please explain how I am parroting the SJWs on tumblr by suggesting that being bullied and being a slave are not the same thing? I'd actually expect an SJW to argue that they are the same.

Also, you're making a pretty big assumption about me with that last sentence. I have not said that it is correct for people to be derided. And I will not and would not say it, because I do not believe it. My single point in the post to which you replied was that slavery != being bullied, which you acknowledge as correct in this very post!

There are different sorts of trauma. They are all bad, but they are not all equivalent. I think it's trivializing to suggest that they are all equivalent. That is my issue.

Really? You're going to use the old "SJW" card on someone who called you out on equating racism to the suffering of UGLY people. Seriously. Shut up.

You seem to lack empathy. Shame.

ayrt

I...lack empathy because I don't think that being bullied is the same as being a slave?

Bullying is not a good thing. No one deserves to be bullied, for any reason. It's incredibly traumatic while it's happening, and that trauma can linger and negatively impact a person's life long after it has ended.

That does not make it analogous to slavery.

Never talked about it being analogous to slavery. But about it being analogous to racism. Which can and has been aimed at groups that have not been slaves.

nayrt

literally /no one/ said that being bullied was the same as being a slave. holy shit.

Anon A: "I don't remember a learning about the enslavement of ugly people in history class, so yeah, it is a far reach."

Anon B: "I don't think so. The feelings of ostracism and "otherness" engendered are the same."

so... yes, it's true that they didn't say it was the same thing, but they did say it makes people feel the same way. or, at least, it's not, like, absurd that someone would interpret what was said that way.

really doesn't help that there's all the insane TRULY SAD THAT YOU HAVE SUCH LACK OF EMPATHY, SMH trolling stuff going on too.

Please be a troll. I don't want to believe anyone can be this tone deaf.

Sorry.

I hope the same for you. You seem to be lacking in compassion and the ability to understand the feelings and often profound hurt of others. These types of issues have led to extreme depression and suicide. If this is just some intellectual exercise to you I find it disturbing in its' coldness and ultimate brutality towards others.

For someone who claims to not like bullying, you appear to be a bit of a bully yourself. You are making awful assumptions about people and turning them into monsters for simply daring to disagree with you.

What I am doing is bemoaning the lack of caring I am seeing here. It saddens me greatly and I am sincere in my hope that you and others like you will someday understand the depths of feeling that you seek to trivialize. I shake my head at the lack of empathy and feel a bit hopeless at the casual dismissal of what can be psyche shattering experiences for some of us. I can't help but make assumptions when I see what you and perhaps others have written in these responses. The world is cruel I suppose, sometimes it's very hard to live in it and conversations like this only reinforce my perceptions. You try living in a body that others revile and see how you fare.

And ow do you know that no one who has replied to you has had a psyche-shattering experience?

When I was in eighth grade, there was a girl who decided to make my life a living hell. She spread rumors and enlisted the help of a number of her friends to bully me. I became an outcast. I received death threats. My parents had to call the police because people kept calling the house to harass me. I was pushed and punched in the hallways and shoved into lockers. I ate under the stairwell at lunch. And the school administration would not believe me when I told them what was going on. Their response to me being beat upon was to ask the students who beat me whether they had done it and to take their word for it when they said, "oh no, we didn't do that!" It took my arm being slashed for them to finally take notice (and this was after nearly an entire school year of maltreatment).

Rather than try to understand where someone who disagrees with you might be coming from, you instead choose to dehumanize them. That is lacking empathy.

I'm sorry that you've had such bad experiences during your life, but that does not make what you are doing here okay. You cannot make assumptions about what others may or may not have gone through or what others may or may not feel, and you of all people should know that.

Get off your high horse.

God, what a bunch of insufferable jerks populate this site.

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