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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-02-12 06:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #2598 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2598 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I also like the idea of otherwise masculine characters having similar biological whims as us ovary-possessing ladies. Um, what 'biological whims' would those be? If you mean to suggest that having ovaries means that we're at the mercy of hormonal urges that will force us into desperate cravings for either endless sex with some dominant type or cravings for pregnancy, you are very much mistaken. Plenty of us have ovaries, and yet neither have these rumored cravings nor want to ever have them. Part of what makes the a/b/o phenomenon so offputting to some of us is exactly the way it both assumes and celebrates gender essentialism in one of its creepier forms. I suppose it's nice that people who enjoy a/b/o have found a way to eroticize proscriptive gender roles, and I don't like to go around complaining about other people's fantasies. But the trope doesn't take male characters and make them like women. It takes male characters and makes them like a particularly oppressive and inaccurate socially-constructed notion of what women ought to be. That's not even remotely the same thing.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
I mean periods, or fluctuating monthly cycles in general. You know, like the heats I already mentioned? I tend to like it when people have to deal with the unwanted nonsense their own bodies do, and A/B/O is about the only time male characters get that.

...you read a lot into my comment that wasn't there, didn't you? Calm down.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
What, I can't be irritated at yet another person apparently telling me that there's no material difference between menstrual cycles and biologically-determined cyclical cravings for sex or pregnancy? Because that certainly seemed to be what you were saying.

Otherwise your initial statement made no sense. Right now, in the real world, men have to deal with unwanted nonsense their bodies do, just as women do. If you didn't mean to suggest that cyclical cravings for pregnancy and sex were biologically inescapable for women, you phrased your comment badly. And if you don't think that's (still, unfortunately) an all too common opinion, I envy you the protected world you live in.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm willing to bet the misunderstanding is your fault here, but whatever. If you want to overreact even after I explained, that's your own issue.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
calm thyself.

(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
That's interesting, because I don't see a/b/o as taking gender essentialism into a creepy territory. I see it as taking the concept of domination/submission into creepy territory. And D/s cuts across gender lines.