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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-02-12 06:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #2598 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2598 ⌋

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kallanda_lee: (Default)

Re: Why is it okay

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-02-13 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
The "found the vegan" thing is pretty much a joke, based on the old
"How do you know someone is a vegan?"
"They will tell you."

But fine, I'll concede I might have generalized. I'll even concede the way we kill animals is not always pretty. I try to eat a lot of meat from biological farmers, but you know, I'm not rich and I can't always afford to be picky.

But here's the thing. That original post IS classic vegan activism rhetoric, I'll tell you why. It's trying to create a false dichotomy, that if you condone eating animals, you must also condone killing them for sport or fucking them. It's part of the sale rhetoric that calls omnivores "hypocrites" for having pets and eating meat, while in fact there is no contradiction. You can consider animals part of your food source but still not want to kill them for sport. You can care about specific animals more than about others (just as you care more for some humans). There is no contradiction here, even though they meant that as an original set-up.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: Why is it okay

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-02-13 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I guess I interpreted the comment conversely: "If you are against these horrible practices (like animal fights), it makes sense to also be against factory farming." And...that's not a false dichotomy at all. It's uncomfortable, but it's also true that they are all really horrible things that are bad for the same reasons. The only reason we are ok with one horrible thing is because it benefits us, and people would rather just pretend it doesn't exist, when in fact it's just as cruel as other forms of animal abuse. And you'll notice OP wasn't talking about the actual practice of eating animals, but the WAY we raise and kill them, so it's not an attack on omnivory.

Basically, yes it's rhetoric, but it's not attacking anyone and it's also got a good point, so why mock them for saying it? Because it's a kneejerk reaction based on a generalization.