[ SECRET POSt #2600 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2600 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lilo and Stitch]


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[Panic! at the Disco]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i61.tinypic.com/2vxr9s2.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

That'd be missing the whole point, though? Thorin's death is a tragedy because it's hard and it feels wrong that someone who went through so much and fought so hard paid the ultimate sacrifice for the battle he chose. That might feel unjust, but it's not wrong for the story. It's supposed to hurt.

And more importantly, it's supposed to hurt because this is how war works: good people die before their time, and victories feel a little "wrong" because of it. Tolkien understood that better than most people.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you sure OP means his death? I thought they meant the whole bit where he goes crazy, barricades himself inside the mountain, shits on the elves and humans, sends Bilbo away, and generally makes things even worse for the dwarves.

[(Anonymous)]

This. His death was pretty much a relief after that.

[(Anonymous)]

If this is what you truly think, then I think you've missed a lot of the book's complexity and characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the same idea still applies. Are we really supposed to think that good people with noble intentions will never have flawed judgement and make terrible mistakes? The idea that only monsters or assholes do terrible things is an illusion and always has been. Good people-- even heroes!-- can fuck up just like everyone else.

The fact that Thorin does is what makes him more than a flat, generic hero type. He's deeply flawed in many ways, though his quest is still a heroic one. If you took all that away, what would be the point of the story? An unsympathetic jerk who goes on a long trip, does unsympathetic, jerky things and then ends up an unsympathetic jerk who dies an unsympathetic jerk's death isn't a plot.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't like it randomly happened to him. The gold fever is a curse of his line, ever since the seven rings were gifted to dwarves. Not much different from what the Ring did to, oh, half the people it encountered? Such as, for a random example, Boromir?

[(Anonymous)]

dude, tolkien fail, the rings of the dwarves were pretty much all gone by the time the One Ring was forged. Also entirely unrelated to the gold fever.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like in some ways Thorin KNOWS that hes losing it, and that is the saddest part for me. Thorins biggest strength and biggest failing is that he wants to do the honorable thing--but then he kinda assumes that whatever he wants to do is honorable.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. The parts where he knows he's loosing it and that he could fail make the character much sadder for me.

[silvereriena]

That's most likely what Peter Jackson was going for, I guess. Just to really give it that much more of an emotional impact once the inevitable happens. I figure Thorin's character is sort of moulded from other classic tragic literary figures. Wasn't Tolkien inspired by a lot of mythology? Heroes with tragic destinies are par for the course in a lot of mythological tales.
Also, they stretched the book out into 3 movies. It would've been a bit silly if they hadn't filled some of that time up with more character building.

[iceyred]

Personally, I like a bittersweet ending myself. What's the point of a happy-sappy-doodle-all-day ending for a character we don't care about?

[elaminator]

I'm personally glad because OF that fact; the ending is going to have so much more meaning and bring a bigger response out of people. Bring on ALL the tears, PJ.

(But seriously, I thought Thorin's death was really damn sad and tragic in the book and he didn't have near this level of characterization; I'm excited to see how Richard handles the ending scenes because I'm sure he's going to do an incredible job and they're going to be extremely memorable.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm looking forward to it with mixed feelings, 'cause I'm pretty sure Armitage's performance is going to rip my heart out. :(

[elaminator]

It will, DON'T YOU DARE DOUBT THAT IT WILL. (And it will be glorious.)

[ibbity]

I feel kind of mean because I am actively looking forward to the deaths in movie 3, lol. I am seriously anticipating the emotional rollercoaster that I'm gonna go on. BRING IT ON YO. I love the characters and part of me is like NO, SAVE THEM, MY BABBIES, but deep down I know that's exactly why I'm going to get such satisfaction when PJ rips my fangirlish heart into tiny tiny pieces, and I KNOW he's gonna milk the deaths for all they're worth, and it will be glorious. Agonizing, but glorious.

[elaminator]

MTE. I'm going to need to bring a tissue box with me, lol, there will be that many tears. If I don't leave the theater dehydrated from the buckets of tears I cried then the movie will be a failure. And PJ doesn't want to be a failure; PJ is going to make sure he brings the sadness and angst so hard we'll feel it for a week and any mention of Thorin (or com) will make us tear up.

Oh man I really want this film.

[nightscale]

It's gonna hurt, it's gonna hurt so good. I am both dreading and anticipating it.

[elaminator]

I know, god. I look forward to sobbing my eyes out. Then listening to the soundtrack and crying more whilst thinking back on it. Then reading all the depressing fic the ending inspired.

Like James Kirk, I need my pain.

[(Anonymous)]

Thorin's last words haunted me when I read The Hobbit -- and this was as a teenager, not a child -- while I found the rest of the book rather flat and uninspiring compared to LotR. I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing that scene in the third movie.

[elaminator]

Thorin's last words are largely what endeared him to me; they were incredibly insightful and moving. That ending hits hard, man.

I liked Hobbit but like you less so than LOTR; LOTR was so much richer and the characters were so much better developed. I do like that the movie is giving the dwarves more distinct personalities so it's easier to connect with them. Given what PJ has done with Thorin I'm sure that scene will be more heartbreaking than ever. (Actually, after seeing the first film I read the book again. The last scene was sadder than ever before because I kept imagining Richard's face...)

[(Anonymous)]

Welcome to the life of Metal Gear nerds, enjoy your pain.

[world_eater]

I disagree. I liked my cowardly, greedy, un-heroic dwarves in the book and it made the ending much more noble.


Now he's a hero and he's gonna die a hero, after the hero's fall. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't like that about The Hobbit. I know it was written first, but dwarves are heroic (generally) in LotR and The Silmarillion, and the inconsistency bothers me.

[world_eater]

But the point was most of these dwarves were normal people with normal jobs, they weren't warriors.