[ SECRET POSt #2600 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2600 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lilo and Stitch]


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[Panic! at the Disco]


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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just really excited for the remake. Hope it's great and is closer to the books (just leave out a certain sewer scene).

[(Anonymous)]

ugh, yes.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not going to be closer to the book. They've already said the spider won't be in it.

[ninety6tears]

Wait, where? I didn't know this was far enough underway for there to be much of any news about it. I really hope it's not gonna be another Pennywise-fest, the fucking clown was one of the least interesting horror elements in the book to me.

[(Anonymous)]

http://collider.com/cary-fukunaga-true-detective-interview/#tXpoS5IUTsqYpmmZ.99

"There will be no spider at the end of our movie. We’re definitely honoring the spirit of Stephen King, but the horror has to be modernized to make it relevant. That’s my job, right now, on this pass. I’m working on making the horror more about suspense than visualization of any creatures. I just don’t think that’s scary. What could be there, and the sounds and how it interacts with things, is scarier than actual monsters."

[ninety6tears]

Thanks, that was fast.
I'm a little perplexed by what isn't "modern" about a bigass spider (IMO, some of the best horror movies have always relied more on suspense). But I want to agree, I'm not sure monsters can be as scary as the suggestion of them being there, which means this time around they might be a lot more aware of the psychological aspect of It's villainy than the style of the first adaptation.

[(Anonymous)]

dafuq? Since when is Stephen King not relevant or modern?! He's still writing, isn't he?

There's just... so many things wrong with that statement. So many.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's a good idea, honestly. I am a lifelong King fan, I think he's a startlingly talented writer, and I continue to love his work, but he also dates really hard. The fact is, the thing that makes his writing so compelling, i.e. a pure rush of story straight from the subconscious, also means that his writing is often a neat map of the anxieties of a white male baby boomer his exact age.

In the late 80s, boomers were fixated on their imagined idyllic childhoods in the imagined idyllic 1950s, and were also terrified that they'd squandered their window of generational relevance, and were now to pass into middle age without doing anything interesting. So King, without consciously meaning to, wrote a story in which an idyllic 1950s small town is threatened by evil, and it's saved a bunch of idealized boomer kids who each has a special secret superpower about how special they are, and then they come back as adults and everyone tells them they're too old to fight evil now, but they prove that they're still relevant and cool.

Not saying it's a bad book; I still like it a lot. But it is what it is, and that has dated pretty badly by now.

And yes, the special secret superpower of The Black Guy is that he's black, and the special secret superpower of The Girl is that you can have sex with her. That... yeah, that happened.

[lunabee34]

Thank goodness. I love Stephen King, and I think It was pretty much a masterpiece right up until the end where they all had to have sex to kill the scary spider. WTF? That ending was pitiful IMHO.

gimme we all float down here any day over the spider at the end. so disappoint

[(Anonymous)]

Well, they had already (sort of) killed IT by the time they decided a gang bang was the best way to get out of the sewers.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, ugh. I'd forgotten about that. It makes me side-eye Stephen King so hard and I otherwise love his work.

[(Anonymous)]

Certain sewer scene?

[(Anonymous)]

The kids have sex in the book.

[(Anonymous)]

Ew.

[(Anonymous)]

... as kids? All of them, or... ? Aren't there like five boys and a girl?

This is baffling me. Pls explain?

[(Anonymous)]

Wikipedia:

"The Losers then gradually realize that they are lost in the sewers, and that with their common enemy having fled they have lost their purpose as a group, and begin to succumb to panic. In order to stop the group from panicking, Beverly has sexual intercourse with each of the boys."

[(Anonymous)]

Ugk. And this is why I don't read Stephen King's shitty work anymore. That man is seriously twisted and needs to seek some kind of help.

[(Anonymous)]

Why should he when it's made him rich?

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I am so mad at Stephen King for including that scene. Because this is one of my favorite books, I think it has a fantastic atmosphere and some really good depictions of both adolescent and adult fears, but all anyone ever talks about is that damn underage sewer gangbang, and you can't even blame them.

I mean, I read that book when I was 12 and for some reason I was not bothered by it, it made sense to me as a rite of passage at the time. But looking back on it, GDI Stephen King.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh it's not a problem for most people. I mean you say "kids have sex" people are going to throw a fit but in context it makes sense and isn't that graphic or exploitative in its execution.

[(Anonymous)]

I knew about the scene before I read the book. Maybe the warning helped, but it was definitely less squicky than I was bracing for, a lot less glorified as anything that kids should do than people might have you think (I mean, Bill and Beverly are pretty appalled when they first remember that it happened). I wouldn't exactly try to talk anybody out of being disgusted by it but it's very predictable that of course by and large people make a much bigger deal about that scene than they do about children getting beheaded or all the domestic/sexual abuse in the rest of the book.

[(Anonymous)]

for me, it wasn't their young age that squicked me out. but more that beverly was being passed around like an object in order to "strengthen" their bond. idk it just came across as really creepy to me. especially knowing that a full-grown man wrote it. D:

[(Anonymous)]

I *strongly* disagree. It's disgusting. I've read Shit several times, I know the scene well--it is not justified, it doesn't make sense, it's nothing but awful, exploitative garbage. Come on, at one point SK describes how much bigger Ben is than the others--and how Beverly can tell! Just awful.

If you think a girl of 11 having sex with six boys--her friends no less--"makes sense" in context, or could ever be anything but horrific, I don't know what to say except that is really messed up. No child who isn't profoundly abused would *ever* suggest that, and the book makes the point that Beverly is NOT sexually abused by her father (per the conversation with her mother).

[(Anonymous)]

Yes without a doubt the Patrick chapter was the most distressing and horrific part of the book to me, the sewer orgy just seemed awkward and out of place.

[(Anonymous)]

Here's my conflicted relationship to that scene. It really bothers me when people act as though it's beyond the pale to acknowledge that kids are sexual beings too. I don't know about the rest of you, but was I was 11 and 12, I was masturbating damn near all the time. If I wasn't under direct observation, I was lending myself a hand. So when people say that it's outrageous and insane to write kids that age as messing around with each other, and only a pedophile could ever imagine that and so on... I think they're either protesting too much, or they have no memory of what it's like when those puberty hormones hit your bloodstream the first time.

So yeah, the pubescent sex isn't what bothers me about that scene. What bothers me is how it functions structurally. Each member of the Losers has their specific role to play, and the point of that entire section is that every single one of them must contribute their special skill to the team effort of defeating It.

And Beverly is the only girl in the group, and her special skill, that she contributes to save the day, is that she can be fucked. That's the defining quality of a girl, the "one thing she can do that no one else can" (and I swear to god she uses those exact words)... you can fuck her.

If it had been a scene about a couple of kids having sex younger than they really ought to, I'd be fine with that. If it had been a scene where a girl has sex with her six male friends because she's exploring and discovering her sexuality and she's horny and curious, I'd even be fine with that.

But when it's a scene about a girl discovering that what makes her special as a human being is having a wet hole between her legs that penises can go into... that's the problem, to my mind. Not their age.